[Rumour] TSN: Peters status. Shake up trade. Hamonic's future

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Bingo

A guy with his scoring talent that IS STILL getting the looks as his numbers suggest isn't a concern to me no.

Gaudreau who isn't getting the looks is a concern to me.

I don't really see much of a difference between either player to be honest. They are both up there in terms of shot generation, but have below average shooting percentages that could turn around.

At least Guadreau is still in the top 10 at his position in terms of scoring even with his problems so far. Monahan is way down the list at much more critical position. Even more so when the drop off to the second best center on the Flames is basically non-existent production this year.

Your top center shouldn't need to kill his offensive production to be average at everything else besides face-offs.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I don't really see much of a difference between either player to be honest. They are both up there in terms of shot generation, but have below average shooting percentages that could turn around.

At least Guadreau is still in the top 10 at his position in terms of scoring even with his problems so far. Monahan is way down the list at much more critical position. Even more so when the drop off to the second best center on the Flames is basically non-existent production this year.

Your top center shouldn't need to kill his offensive production to be average at everything else besides face-offs.

Don't think so.

Monahan is up in terms of shot generation, Gaudreau down.
Monahan is up in terms of chance/60 and high danger /60, Gaudreau is down.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If it's a stupid comment elsewhere don't quote it here
This stuff legit could get the site in some hot water.

Noted. My bad.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Don't think so.

Monahan is up in terms of shot generation, Gaudreau down.
Monahan is up in terms of chance/60 and high danger /60, Gaudreau is down.

Monahan just looks like he lost that great shot of his. Maybe all those injuries to the hand/wrist/fingers have caught up to him?

[1_Flames_Fan]

Tim from Tim and Sid just suggested Gaudreau for Nylander+. Not sure I like that idea.

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[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Tim from Tim and Sid just suggested Gaudreau for Nylander+. Not sure I like that idea.

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Better be one hell of a plus.

[Manhattanboy]

Do not want Nylander.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Better be one hell of a plus.

Yeah, but seeing it is with Toronto we know what the trade would end up like.

[Roof-Daddy]

I don't see the Leafs making a big trade now.

They will see how things go with the new coach for a while I'd imagine.

[jg13]

That is awful for Calgary unless the + is 3x first rounders or equal.

If Toronto wants Johnny they can send us 1 of Marner, Matthews or Tavares.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Tim from Tim and Sid just suggested Gaudreau for Nylander+. Not sure I like that idea.

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That is awful. Half the production at twice the price. Nylander is not the type of guy to carry an offence. He'd be a great complimentary player, but he is not of Gaudreau's calibre.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Red Potato Standing By

Yeah, but seeing it is with Toronto we know what the trade would end up like.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind Nylander as the main piece in a Gaudreau trade, but the Leafs would have to add a ton.

Nylander
Kapanen
Dermott
Bracco/Liljegren

for

Gaudreau
Frolik

Something like that.

And honestly, the more I think of it, the more that resembles the Phaneuf return but with each player orders of magnitude better and younger... so, good? Meh? I don't know?

Originally Posted by blankall

That is awful. Half the production at twice the price.

Twice? Nylander makes $6.9 million, Gaudreau makes $6.75.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Tim from Tim and Sid just suggested Gaudreau for Nylander+. Not sure I like that idea.

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I think he was getting at Nylander and Barrie for Gaudreau and something.

[Vinny01]

Hell no to Nylander as the main piece for Gaudreau.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by blankall

That is awful. Half the production at twice the price. Nylander is not the type of guy to carry an offence. He'd be a great complimentary player, but he is not of Gaudreau's calibre.

I don’t like it either, but the cap difference is $200,000

[Harry Lime]

Talking anything Leafs is silly. For Gaudreau...

Nylander
Kapanen
Liljegren
1st

and you keep adding Lucics until the cap matches. Even then I wouldn't do it.

[Jagermeister]

Holy ####, you aren't trading Johnny Gaudreau for a package around William Nylander...

[bluejays]

It wasn't too long ago, a year really, that Gaudreau was comparable to Marner. Now he's dropped off that he's comparable to an under performing Nylander? I know Tim and Sid are talking air time here, but you're dealing a 1st liner for a 2nd liner when both are clicking. The Leafs benefit by going all in on offence and on a physically weaker East, Johnny would tear it up. Getting a second liner (borderline 1st liner), does nothing to help us now or in the future. I keep saying it but we have to get better at the top and that means bringing in a star to start. While Gaudreau is under performing this year, I want to see a coaching change before dealing the hands down best player, at the bottom of his game, away. His cap hit is ridiculously good as well, so cap wise, he's not bad, but he's not producing at his same pace.


I'm not saying it with conviction because I'm just a bystander fan, but to me it looks like players aren't happy with the coach. If that's the case, he's gotta go first and someone who can work with the guys more effectively is probably in order. When a player like Neal walks under such bad circumstances, I think the lines of communication with the coach are to blame more than anything, and this season has cemented my thought that he's probably the first thing that needs to change. It's old school to communicate through yelling and shaking the iron fist. You need coaches to push the team but also work with players behind the scenes. Our boy seems intent on playing the hardass card everyday and that gets old fast with millionaires who don't need to take that crap.

[Steve Bozek]

Toronto players are so over-hyped that I think some GMs actually believe them (e.g. Risebrough, Sutter), and get fleeced. Hence my general belief is that one should focus on getting high draft picks out of Toronto rather than players.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by fleury

...I'm not saying it with conviction because I'm just a bystander fan, but to me it looks like players aren't happy with the coach.

To me it looks like the players are not happy. Struggling as they have for the past couple weeks is bound to have that effect.

[I]If that's the case, he's gotta go first and someone who can work with the guys more effectively is probably in order. When a player like Neal walks under such bad circumstances, I think the lines of communication with the coach are to blame more than anything, and this season has cemented my thought that he's probably the first thing that needs to change. It's old school to communicate through yelling and shaking the iron fist. You need coaches to push the team but also work with players behind the scenes. Our boy seems intent on playing the hardass card everyday and that gets old fast with millionaires who don't need to take that crap.

I see no evidence for this. As a fellow bystander, there is nothing obvious in how the team plays, how they interact the coaches, what the coaches say in public to indicate one way or another whether the issue is coaching. It could be, but given the history that this group has with previous coaches I suspect more than likely the problems start with the players.


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