[News] Kuznetsov positive cocaine test. IIHF suspends for 4 yrs UPD: NHL suspends for 3 gms

[Oling_Roachinen]

The NHL should concede and allow its players to go to the next Olympics and then just test for cocaine a month before it's about to begin. They wouldn't even need to adjust the schedule, only four or five players would be eligible to go.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So now Washington can "Mike Richards" his 7.8 x 6 remaining cap hit if his on ice performance slides?

No.

Cocaine is likely prevalent enough where the NHLPA could reasonably point to other players on the team trying to punt a guy they didn't want, and say "if it's conduct unbecoming, why aren't those other [good] players also terminated"?

I've heard pretty solid stories about a bad but overpaid player being a coke user, but, from the same source, rumours about very good players on the same team also using coke. So that team could never terminate the "bad" player.

[Nsd1]

Flyin high on and off the ice

[Monahammer]

The thing that gets me about this is that he must have been using pretty close to the test time. Unless he is a very frequent user, the typical test halflife time is something like 1 day. Hence the more frequent abuse of cocaine in drug test heavy industries (like our very own oil sands.) It's not like weed where it can stay in your system for a month.

If you know you're likely to be tested, why not take a night off from the nose clams? I don't care to comment on the actual use of drugs, but it seems plain stupid/irresponsible to me to use so close to a potential testing window.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The thing that gets me about this is that he must have been using pretty close to the test time. Unless he is a very frequent user, the typical test halflife time is something like 1 day. Hence the more frequent abuse of cocaine in drug test heavy industries (like our very own oil sands.) It's not like weed where it can stay in your system for a month.

If you know you're likely to be tested, why not take a night off from the nose clams? I don't care to comment on the actual use of drugs, but it seems plain stupid/irresponsible to me to use so close to a potential testing window.

We don't know what test they used. They could have tested his hair.

[topfiverecords]

2018 Stanley Cup Champions **************

[Tyler]

Gotta love dat booger sugar

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Ya, cocaine is a socially excepted drug these days (in a lot of circles). Definitely not performance enhancing. Scary with the fentanyl taint these days, But really most ppl that are recreational users are not negatively affected by it.

The Fentanyl tainting is a myth my man FYI . . . . .

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No.

Cocaine is likely prevalent enough where the NHLPA could reasonably point to other players on the team trying to punt a guy they didn't want, and say "if it's conduct unbecoming, why aren't those other [good] players also terminated"?

I've heard pretty solid stories about a bad but overpaid player being a coke user, but, from the same source, rumours about very good players on the same team also using coke. So that team could never terminate the "bad" player.

Chung got arrest for coke usage from his house in New Hampshire.

Criminal records are not great for border crossings.

Like all crimes, it doesn't have significant ramifications until you are caught.

Try getting across the USA border with a cocaine conviction.

If a team wants to dump a poor performer bad contract that is a regular coke user does not seem to be that hard of a setup to get them caught. How did Mike Richards get caught at the border?

Really bad for growing the game if the NHLPA comes out and says that a solid portion of their association is using a schedule 1 narcotic.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

The Fentanyl tainting is a myth my man FYI . . . . .

Don't spread misinformation. Thhis is from the 2018 Alberta Opioid Response Surveillance Report

Confirmed drug poisoning deaths
 Among all confirmed drug and alcohol poisoning deaths (accidental and suicide) in 2017 and 2018, opioids (fentanyl or non-fentanyl) were directly involved in 78 per cent of deaths. 22 per cent of all confirmed drug and alcohol poisoning deaths (accidental and suicide) did not involve any opioid.
 Multiple substances are often used at the same time as opioids, including fentanyl. This may be a result ofan individual using multiple substances including opioids, or through the contamination of drugs with opioidssuch as fentanyl.
 In 2018, 77 per cent of accidental fentanyl related deaths listed at least one other substance as contributing to death, the most frequent being methamphetamine and cocaine.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Don't spread misinformation. Thhis is from the 2018 Alberta Opioid Response Surveillance Report

I thought the worst quote on this page was the claim that “recreational users aren’t negatively affected” by fentanyl.

[Senator Clay Davis]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1164919537629716481

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Ya, cocaine is a socially excepted drug these days (in a lot of circles). Definitely not performance enhancing. Scary with the fentanyl taint these days, But really most ppl that are recreational users are not negatively affected by it.

I never understood anyone would want fen in their coke or why anyone would want to sell something like that to their customers. It seems like a waste of both drugs to combine them and the dangers of mixing strong stimulants with strong depressants are just too high.

It's good that he is taking ownership and I think he sounds sincere, but I do have to chuckle when they say it is "voluntary" that he is seeking help. He is in a situation where it is really the only choice he can make.

[GreenLantern2814]

A four year suspension from international play for cocaine is absurd.

Two games at most. It's coke, guys - they only think they're faster.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

The Fentanyl tainting is a myth my man FYI . . . . .

It most def is not.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

It most def is not.

In Alberta 32% of of the people who died because of fentanyl also had Cocaine in their system. Whether or not it was tainted is unclear nevertheless something like 596 people died from an apparent accidental fentanyl poisoning in 2018. I am not a math magician but the better part of 190 people died while doing cocaine and fentanyl. Of course they could have been doing them separately, but suggesting that the risk is not real is very far from the truth.

https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/f4b7...rt-2018-q4.pdf

[JackIsBack]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Ya, cocaine is a socially excepted drug these days (in a lot of circles).

This is the slippery slope we're on since we legalized marijuana... I personally don't care what anyone does that doesn't effect me... but why not legalize cocaine now? I think the government should just decriminalize all of it (not legalize it) and try and get help to all those who seek help - and get out of the "family" business.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

It most def is not.

Actually I can confirm that it is, most cases of "tainted" or "laced" issues that exist are the drug users error not tampered drugs

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

In Alberta 32% of of the people who died because of fentanyl also had Cocaine in their system. Whether or not it was tainted is unclear nevertheless something like 596 people died from an apparent accidental fentanyl poisoning in 2018. I am not a math magician but the better part of 190 people died while doing cocaine and fentanyl. Of course they could have been doing them separately, but suggesting that the risk is not real is very far from the truth.

https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/f4b7...rt-2018-q4.pdf

I am not going to spend anymore time arguing this, however I will say this. Many users are using both drugs heavily. And in fact use it quite often at the exact same time.

[MoneyGuy]

Harsh penalty.