COVID-19 Vaccine Talk

[looooob]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

Can anyone imagine the reaction in Alberta, if we had done what was needed to control covid, and the federal government turned around and took our vaccine allotment and gave it to Ontario?

It would be chaos here. It's tough to reward bad leadership in Ontario with vaccines meant for other places. Those people sacrificed to be in a good position too. Ideally we get the vaccines to the worst hit areas/people but that's definitely a tough line to walk.

IF the situation in Canada was that 9 provinces had COVID under total control and one didn't , I personally would understand the move to temporarily shift vaccine to the place that needed it- I get the optics would seem bad and it would be rewarding failure but there would also be a humanitarian issue (IMO) and I would have a hard time seeing the racialized frontline worker in Ontario (example) penalized so that some person in a covid free zone could get their vaccine


but that's not where we are at. we have bad to horrific COVID in at least 6 provinces that combined make up most of the population- this is a deck chairs on the titanic situation right now

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What has the media done other than report the facts? Facts that are being wildly miss-interpreted yes but that's not on the media.

People largely gets its information from the media. Media has a responsibility to report objectively, not sensationalize.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7760045/a...clot-survivor/

Survivor of rare blood clot after AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine recalls ordeal

These types of headlines don't help anyone especially when the goal is to vaccinate everyone. The AZ stuff really shouldn't be making the news the way it is.

You didn't see waves of reports of Covid deaths due to blood clots prior to the vaccine. Most certainly nowhere near as close as the AZ hysteria being spread by the media currently. It's caught on, and now the misinformation is spreading like wildfire, with the media and officials trying to backtrack at the same time the vaccine is now banned in parts of the world due to this information.

[opendoor]

Health authorities in countries aren't banning or restricting AZ because of anything the media is saying. They're doing it because it's quite possible that for a portion of the population, the risk of a severe adverse reaction is more likely than a severe outcome from COVID in the time period between when they could get an AZ dose vs. a Pfizer or Moderna dose. And by having this issue brought to light, doctors are now more aware of what to look out for which can make these reactions more treatable.

Honestly, the most misleading reporting I've seen on this is articles and infographics comparing the rate of blood clots from birth control or smoking to the rate from the vaccine, without putting to context the huge difference in severity and fatality rates between the different types of clots.

Ultimately, if we expect younger people to take COVID seriously because there's a small chance of them being seriously harmed, then we can't simultaneously expect them to ignore rare (but extremely serious) adverse reactions from the vaccine that occur at a similar rate.

[Firebot]

Just to compare:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6650774/b...update-monday/

COVID-19: B.C. announces Canada’s first coronavirus death

First covid death.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...case-1.5385816

Vaccine-induced blood clots under more scrutiny as Canada reports first case

Tell me the media isn't sensationalizing the blood clot story.

[Julio]

Looks like another 300k+ day before we hit the weekend reporting doldrums.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Julio

Looks like another 300k+ day before we hit the weekend reporting doldrums.

yes, the rolling 7 day may slip slightly unless we (mostly BC at this point) can match last fridays 316k+

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by looooob

IF the situation in Canada was that 9 provinces had COVID under total control and one didn't , I personally would understand the move to temporarily shift vaccine to the place that needed it- I get the optics would seem bad and it would be rewarding failure but there would also be a humanitarian issue (IMO) and I would have a hard time seeing the racialized frontline worker in Ontario (example) penalized so that some person in a covid free zone could get their vaccine


but that's not where we are at. we have bad to horrific COVID in at least 6 provinces that combined make up most of the population- this is a deck chairs on the titanic situation right now

I absolutely agree if it was only Ontario struggling it's a different story. Ideally it goes to the hardest hit areas, and the people most in need, but we know that isn't going to happen. When other areas are getting hit hard, or are about to get very hard it's difficult to justify. We shouldn't even be at this point, it's absolutely ridiculous how silly this has gotten with politicians and citizens ignoring clear data, and recommendations.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Just to compare:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6650774/b...update-monday/



First covid death.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...case-1.5385816



Tell me the media isn't sensationalizing the blood clot story.

Ugh yeah headline writing is the great failure of the media. I will agree to that. We see across all reporting, even in sports.
And sadly the reporters rarely write the headlines.

And the failure of the audience is that they often don't look past the headline.

I think the media gets to much blame but I'm also biased having worked in the profession. I think most are just trying to get accurate information out there.

[GGG]

Another good day for Alberta - 39k in arms. At today’s rate of injection we have 9.5 days of supply.

More or less back on track. It’s unfortunate that the AZ isn’t being utilized very well. One positive of that is that it means Alberta has an additional 5k/7k of capacity to bring on which may needed needed soon with the Pfizer ramp up.

At today’s vaccination rate we are 51.3 days away from having 80% of adults receive their first dose.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by looooob

yes, the rolling 7 day may slip slightly unless we (mostly BC at this point) can match last fridays 316k+

ok BC and NFLD delivered and dragged Canada over 320k , so the 7 day goes up again. this is the 2nd highest day ever, and really the 'highest' as the record day (Monday of this week) included 3 BC days and 2 Alberta days IIRC


the milestones for today included crossing 22% in the tracker, and now also over 25k total doses / 100k population nationwide