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Old 10-09-2020, 07:33 AM   #2681
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Casino executives are going to get a nice bonus this year!
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Old 10-09-2020, 08:51 AM   #2683
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How on earth do you fail at running a casino?

That's not hard, they're money laundering for the mob.Plus its mainly a cash business. Why do you think their books have been cooked.
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People need to pay attention to this, if you think that people in Ontario were badly hurt by the Butt's programs, this is going to be worse. With the NDP on board as this goes through, your utilities, gas, and other costs are going to go through the roof. Especially since the companies will pass this onto the consumer.
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Honestly, and I say this as someone who drives cars that take premium gas in relatively large quantities, gas should be more expensive. If you want to reduce emissions, the disincentive should be on the emitter, which is the person who's driving around burning fuel. From an environmentalist perspective, they should be making driving more costly and incentivizing people to use public transit rather than driving themselves around. But since that's deeply unpopular, they usually just scapegoat the energy companies.

Of course, this leaves aside the fact that we're a relatively small part of the problem globally, but at least in principle, things like gas taxes make far more sense than killing pipelines, which seems to be the usual priority for the green folks.
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I'm all for implementation of carbon taxes, but it must be concomitant with government initiated improvements in green infrastructure and incentives for people to switch to more environmentally friendly options.

But, as it stands now, if I was to take public transit to work, my 12 minute drive would turn into an hour long, multi-bus adventure. No thanks. I don't mind paying for it, but it needs to freaking happen already!
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I've said it before, if you're going to do a carbon tax, do it properly, treat it like a separate re portable line item. It should be auditable by the PBO's office

Be able to show Canadians exactly how much revenue is collected from the carbon tax, show exactly what projects and research was invested in, that way we can see the exact subsidization of green industries and how effective it is, or if they're pissing it away on stupid stuff.

Then I would have no problem with a carbon tax.

I have a major problem with a double shot at taxpayers and that's what this is period. I also have a major problem with them implementing this during what is rapidly evolving economic emergency in this country.
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I'm all for implementation of carbon taxes, but it must be concomitant with government initiated improvements in green infrastructure and incentives for people to switch to more environmentally friendly options.

But, as it stands now, if I was to take public transit to work, my 12 minute drive would turn into an hour long, multi-bus adventure. No thanks. I don't mind paying for it, but it needs to freaking happen already!
If gasoline prices go even higher, even more people will be forced to take transit. Our city, and very few cities in Canada, would be equipped to handle this.

We are so spatially separated in Canada and our transit funkin blow.

I can't imagine taking transit from one of the new communities down south like Legacy even now.
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Honestly, and I say this as someone who drives cars that take premium gas in relatively large quantities, gas should be more expensive. If you want to reduce emissions, the disincentive should be on the emitter, which is the person who's driving around burning fuel. From an environmentalist perspective, they should be making driving more costly and incentivizing people to use public transit rather than driving themselves around. But since that's deeply unpopular, they usually just scapegoat the energy companies.

Of course, this leaves aside the fact that we're a relatively small part of the problem globally, but at least in principle, things like gas taxes make far more sense than killing pipelines, which seems to be the usual priority for the green folks.
The problem with this though is that energy is so fundamental to everyone's lives that when you jack up the prices for it you're preferentially harming poor people. The carbon tax gets treated like it's some kind of luxury tax when to me, unless I'm missing something, it seems like THE most regressive tax possible. All of this stuff effects gasoline, electricity, heat, and grocery prices which are bottom line items for every family no matter what their income level. I hear a lot of liberals complaining about growing wealth and income inequality while at the same time cheering taxes that make the basics of life more expensive for everyone. I'm not hating on you because you're wealthy (I respect it, good for you), but don't you think it's a little glib to talk about how you're willing to pay more for premium gas for your luxury car while poor families have to pay more for everything with this tax?

EDIT: Hasn't it also been proven that gasoline demand is one of the most inelastic demand curves out there? Like who is bombing around just for the fun of it that wouldn't if gas was 50 cents more expensive. People drive when they have to.
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I'm just pointing out that my position is to my own detriment in terms of hitting me in the pocketbook. I don't disagree with your observations about electricity and heat, and the knock-on effect. But dealing with those things is a separate issue.

The underlying point was that the correct policy to reduce pollution is to increase the cost of polluting. That's at the end user level.
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If gasoline prices go even higher, even more people will be forced to take transit. Our city, and very few cities in Canada, would be equipped to handle this.

We are so spatially separated in Canada and our transit funkin blow.

I can't imagine taking transit from one of the new communities down south like Legacy even now.

I don't think its that simple. What about people that have a vehicle or truck requirement for work? What about distance?


Jumping up gasoline prices massively for example just will hurt people that have a vehicle requirement.



We've seen in BC that Carbon taxes don't really reduce carbon emissions, but it does effect peoples bottom lines.



If the Clean Fuel Standards tax comes into play, its probably going to have the effect of making life unaffordable for the lower class, and drive the lower middle class into lower class. It'll also drive business costs up massively and a lot of small to medium businesses will follow what happened in Ont when Butts drove up utilities costs and other costs and just shut their door, or they'll pass the costs onto the consumer and make everything more expensive.



But I doubt that it will do much to reduce emissions.
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I'm just pointing out that my position is to my own detriment in terms of hitting me in the pocketbook. I don't disagree with your observations about electricity and heat, and the knock-on effect. But dealing with those things is a separate issue.

The underlying point was that the correct policy to reduce pollution is to increase the cost of polluting. That's at the end user level.
For sure, I get that and like I said I'm not trying to attack you personally.
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The problem with this though is that energy is so fundamental to everyone's lives that when you jack up the prices for it you're preferentially harming poor people. The carbon tax gets treated like it's some kind of luxury tax when to me, unless I'm missing something, it seems like THE most regressive tax possible. All of this stuff effects gasoline, electricity, heat, and grocery prices which are bottom line items for every family no matter what their income level. I hear a lot of liberals complaining about growing wealth and income inequality while at the same time cheering taxes that make the basics of life more expensive for everyone. I'm not hating on you because you're wealthy (I respect it, good for you), but don't you think it's a little glib to talk about how you're willing to pay more for premium gas for your luxury car while poor families have to pay more for everything with this tax?

EDIT: Hasn't it also been proven that gasoline demand is one of the most inelastic demand curves out there? Like who is bombing around just for the fun of it that wouldn't if gas was 50 cents more expensive. People drive when they have to.
Gas demand is inelastic over a short time horizon. If gas had been $5/L since the 80s, our urban planning and levels of transit service would look quite different. We'd have a lot of places where lifestyles would lead to lower fuel consumption. The problem is dealing with the decades of pain. It's not like infrastructure and housing can just be shuffled around.

Totally agree with you on the poor people part, and income tax should be dropped to compensate for some segment of the population.

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Honestly, and I say this as someone who drives cars that take premium gas in relatively large quantities, gas should be more expensive. If you want to reduce emissions, the disincentive should be on the emitter, which is the person who's driving around burning fuel. From an environmentalist perspective, they should be making driving more costly and incentivizing people to use public transit rather than driving themselves around. But since that's deeply unpopular, they usually just scapegoat the energy companies.
This is great when you have mass transit options, unfortunately a large portion of canadians do not. Add in distances and personal vehicles are pretty much a necessity in most parts of the country.
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I agree with taxing the end user. The issue with Quebec and lower mainland BC is they are insulated from their bafoonary. Shutting down the Oil Sands has little impact on their pocket book, so they drive SUVs around while talking about those awful Albertans.

Hitting them directly will put the green movement to the test. Jacking up their gas to over $2 should be fun to watch. I am guessing they will become non green in a hurry.
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This is great when you have mass transit options, unfortunately a large portion of canadians do not. Add in distances and personal vehicles are pretty much a necessity in most parts of the country.
Most Canadians need personal vehicles. They donít need F150s, oversized SUVs, and other huge gas-guzzlers - thatís a choice.
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so the Liberals keep obstructing the WE committees and refusing to hand over the unredacted documents.

First they lied and said the government lawyers ordered the redaction, the Lawyers said nope, it was party officials

Last week the Liberal chair arbitrarily ended a meeting without a vote.

Yesterday they filibustered for over 12 hours.

Today they arbitrarily decided not to show up and cancelled the meetings

https://twitter.com/user/status/1317102957658329088

One of the Liberal members of the Ethics committee is morally oppossed to disclosing the document which is hilarious in its own way.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1316881670990155778

If this was a court case and the Libs were refusing to disclose documents to the prosecution they'd be in contempt. However since there is a liberal chair that's not afraid to just stop meetings, or allows massive filibusters its like the mafia is in charge of the trial.

Its just leads to the question that needs to be answered, what's on those documents that the Libs are so afraid of.

Its actually disgusting to see government in action.
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I've said it before, if you're going to do a carbon tax, do it properly, treat it like a separate re portable line item. It should be auditable by the PBO's office

Be able to show Canadians exactly how much revenue is collected from the carbon tax, show exactly what projects and research was invested in, that way we can see the exact subsidization of green industries and how effective it is, or if they're pissing it away on stupid stuff.

Then I would have no problem with a carbon tax.

I have a major problem with a double shot at taxpayers and that's what this is period. I also have a major problem with them implementing this during what is rapidly evolving economic emergency in this country.
Lol. This is what the federal government wanted that Kenney and friends were so against. Right now 90% goes back through rebates but Kenney could have implemented one where we knew exactly where the money went down to the dollar. and made sure it was an Albertan-solution Instead we're going to waste a bunch of money fighting in courts again.
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