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Old 02-27-2021, 11:53 AM   #261
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Good catch, had forgotten about that. Vision may have even said something like that in Age of Ultron, if I recall correctly.

Except they kind of hinted that they had cut him off from the uploading and destroyed the final body, and thus Ultron's code was no more.



I think that this vision, is a pure weapon, no real personality.


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Old 02-27-2021, 12:01 PM   #262
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Good episode, the production of it was great, loved all the transitions.

I really enjoyed how Agatha said that she was already a little witch, and that she had powers that were amplified by the infinity stone, but not created by it. Hint hint, mutants exist? Perhaps the snip snap snip snap exposed a bunch of mutants with dormant powers to infinity aura that will bring their powers out.

What I didn't like is how she said she was responsible for Peitro, planting the memories in his brain. I also read an interview with Feige basically insinuating this isn't meant to be a cross over, but they thought a unique chance to bring him in as an actor for this universe. Like a nod to the 'legends' stuff. I hope that is all misdirection and he was brought over from the multiverse.

This is supposed to lead into the Multiverse stuff in Spider-Man 3 and Dr Strange 2 so we will see I guess.

Either way I think it's been a solid ride, but they need a good conclusion to stick the landing here for full points.
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Old 02-27-2021, 12:12 PM   #263
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I think that Agatha is really wanting to learn the power to create/re-create life beyond "necromancy". And is trying to (or trying to make Wanda) bring someone back from the dead ("Ralph"), who is the real big bad.

I think that there will be a "what have I done?" moment from Agatha and she will turn a reluctant ally.

I HOPE that new Vision is Ultron initially and we get a little Spader up in here.

I HOPE that Wanda actually becomes bad and is converted to one of the bigger Marvel foes. It would give us the most interesting and familiar villian to oppose the Avengers that we've seen in a while. It would be nice to have a villain that we sympathize with, know, possibly even root for sometimes, and who doesn't die because they don't want to kill her (or can't).
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Old 02-27-2021, 02:56 PM   #264
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Except they kind of hinted that they had cut him off from the uploading and destroyed the final body, and thus Ultron's code was no more.



I think that this vision, is a pure weapon, no real personality.


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In the comics Ultron never really goes away. The scene where they were discussing how to keep Vision alive while destroying the mind stone implies that there's probably some Ultron inside Vision.



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Bruce: Your mind is made up of a complex construct of overlays. Jarvis, Ultron, Tony, me, the Stone. All of them mixed together. All of them learning from one another


Wanda: You're saying Vision isn't just the stone?


Bruce: I'm saying that if we take out the stone, there's still a whole lot of Vision left. Perhaps the best parts.

Also, if you look up Wandavision cast on google, James Spader is listed. Could be fake news, could be flashbacks that obviously he still needs to be credited for, or it could be something bigger..
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Old 02-27-2021, 04:23 PM   #265
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Ultron never inhabited the vibranium body, so I doubt it.
Ultron was in the vibranium for sure. That is specifically what turned Wanda to the Avengers side in AoU, as soon as he started transferring to the body she could sense his thoughts, realized he wanted to destroy everything.
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Old 02-28-2021, 01:35 AM   #266
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If bringing in the X-man Pietro was just a 'fun little nod' by Feige, I'm going to be pissed.
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If bringing in the X-man Pietro was just a 'fun little nod' by Feige, I'm going to be pissed.
I prefer this outcome.

It leaves it open to being retconned later. If you watch Agatha’s lines she says something like she couldn’t have used Pietros body because it was full of holes. This implies she needed a body which implies the body came from somewhere.

Leaving it unexplained and giving the writers in Strange or future X-men movies the opportunity to call back to this is smart without forcing them into an explanation right now. It opens up the universe in the future and leaves us open to speculate.

The least interesting part of a mystery box show is the answers.
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Old 02-28-2021, 08:03 PM   #269
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Oh. I guess I just assumed there would be another season.

If there isnt then yeah. Not good.
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Old 02-28-2021, 08:10 PM   #270
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They really should save the x-men reveal for something larger. I like this show but it's definitely not on the scale of the movies. I do think the quicksilver actor is more than a coincidence though. The new big bad they are introducing will likely cross over with Dr. Strange, which is where they'll introduce the x-men. So it makes sense that there would be some kind of tie between this new bad guy and the x-men universe.
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I think this is kind of what aggravates me about this show.

It has a neat idea, and a good premise. Wanda is likable, I could ditch Vision.

There are good bones to this show but it just isnt engaging. Frankly, the ditzy Doctor lady is the best character in the show.

Beyond that, its been a chore to get through. I'm still plowing through because I feel confident that this is a show that needs some time to find its groove and get its feet under it and it will get better.

I wouldnt re-up Disney+ just for this show though. No way.
I don't know if I agree. First 2-3 episodes were a chore to get through for sure, but even with how they now tie back to Wanda's backstory now it all makes a lot more sense.

She loves sitcoms and is trying to rebuild her happy place.

I think from episode 4 on it's been building and has been quite engaging and entertaining.
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I'm gonna be pretty bummed after Friday when I realize that there isn't going to be anymore WandaVision. Predictions...

1: WandaVision ends up in the body of WhiteVision so Vision (albeit without his memories) is back in the non-Westview MCU.
2: Pietro is revealed to be the X-men Pietro... not just a fun nod.
3: Dr. Strange is in the episode.
4: Agatha Harkness does a face turn.
5: Mid-credit scene reveals or at least teases Chthon... new Big Bad of the MCU (ala Thanos).
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Anyone else notice that when Vision was all cut up his internal parts had a hexagonal metal frame.
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I'm gonna be pretty bummed after Friday when I realize that there isn't going to be anymore WandaVision. Predictions...

1: WandaVision ends up in the body of WhiteVision so Vision (albeit without his memories) is back in the non-Westview MCU.
2: Pietro is revealed to be the X-men Pietro... not just a fun nod.
3: Dr. Strange is in the episode.
4: Agatha Harkness does a face turn.
5: Mid-credit scene reveals or at least teases Chthon... new Big Bad of the MCU (ala Thanos).
I'm calling tragedy with OG Vision biting the dust and WhiteVision winning but eventually turning on Hayward. Wanda's going to be more depressed than she was before having to mourn OG Vision a second time w/ WhiteVision still around around with no memory of her. This is going to lead to Wanda going even more nutso and breaking realities trying to repair things forcing Dr. Strange to intervene and to fix reality and save Wanda's sanity. Wanda's kids will survive somehow outside the Hex as teens. Agatha will stick around and try to help Dr. Strange fix Wanda's mess.

Just a heads up there will be an "Marvel Assembled" episode in the week between Wandavision's finale and the Falcon and Winter soldier's premiere with a bunch of interviews, production footage, and behind the scenes stuff. Disney's will have something for that Friday timeslot for us for the rest of the year by the looks of it.
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They really should save the x-men reveal for something larger. I like this show but it's definitely not on the scale of the movies. I do think the quicksilver actor is more than a coincidence though. The new big bad they are introducing will likely cross over with Dr. Strange, which is where they'll introduce the x-men. So it makes sense that there would be some kind of tie between this new bad guy and the x-men universe.

They've already heavily implied that Wanda and Pietro already had powers and they were "activated" when they were exposed to the mind stone. Sounds like it would be easy to make that into "they were mutants all along" to me. And now the rest of the mutants could have had their powers "activated" by infinity stones in a similar way when Thanos/Hulk snapped them. I think this show is setting it up, even if it's not outright saying that's what happened yet.
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They've already heavily implied that Wanda and Pietro already had powers and they were "activated" when they were exposed to the mind stone. Sounds like it would be easy to make that into "they were mutants all along" to me. And now the rest of the mutants could have had their powers "activated" by infinity stones in a similar way when Thanos/Hulk snapped them. I think this show is setting it up, even if it's not outright saying that's what happened yet.
With talk of re-booting Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D to some effect of incorporating it into canon I wonder if MCU Phase 4 looks towards some aspect of inhumans.
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I hope everyone is OK with this story coming to a conclusion tomorrow, with mmayyyybee a hint of stuff to come. I don't think there's going to be a big villain reveal, or mutants revealed, or the FF being revealed, or that kind of stuff. People will have to settle for Monica Rambeau's super powers origin story, an expansion of Wanda's backstory, a new antagonist in Agatha Harkness, and the revival of 1 or 2 Visions as the big moments from this series.
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