Habs sack Julien, Muller - Ducharme named Interim Coach

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, but what is Kotkaniemi?

Cockamamie

[djsFlames]

Perhaps they could pay Darryl in cattle and seeds.

[Aarongavey]

Jesus, this guy went 5-5 in the play-in/playoffs last year and got fired. Amazing.

[activeStick]

I honestly think that Quenneville would be getting pretty similar results here if he were the head coach. The Flames will start turning things around as players start moving out.

[Willi Plett]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I had thought this was the last year of his contract but, yeah, he has 21-22 as well.

I’m not sure if there is a standard for coaching contracts. But employment contracts in general have several different potential outcomes. There might be a provision for early termination payment. Or to present value the future salary and he gets a lump sum. If it was just his regularly schedules salary, his new job salary would be deducted as a mitigation of loss.

Most coaching contracts have generally provided guaranteed payment with no mitigation to the team(employer) for termination without cause. Generally, payment continues even if they take other employment. That said, all of the conditions you mentioned could be in a coaches contract and this type of information is not public. Most top tier coaches won’t sign with very much (any) conditions for termination without cause.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Willi Plett

Most coaching contracts have generally provided guaranteed payment with no mitigation to the team(employer) for termination without cause. Generally, payment continues even if they take other employment. That said, all of the conditions you mentioned could be in a coaches contract and this type of information is not public. Most top tier coaches won’t sign with very much (any) conditions for termination without cause.

Oh, I don’t think there would be any termination at will provisions. I do think that even if they had just normal payments, they might offer a lump sump, in which case Julien could take the money and then look for work without worry.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I honestly think that Quenneville would be getting pretty similar results here if he were the head coach. The Flames will start turning things around as players start moving out.

I disagree. Ward's player utilization, including putting scrubs on Monahan's RW, overusing an aging Gio, and overplaying Markstrom, has been atrocious. The downgrade from Lindholm to Simon/Leivo far exceeds any upgrade they are getting moving Lindholm to centre; why must they move their only top 9 natural RW to C when they already have more depth at that position than any other? The Flames have actually had considerably more player turnover than most teams over the past three years (the only holdouts I can think of being Monahan, Gaudreau, Gio, Bennett, and Backlund) and are arguably better on paper than the team that won the conference. Moving Gaudreau or Monahan out will almost certainly leave the team worse off, because any return will be of a lower calibre than the player they will be replacing. And due to their contracts, Gio, Bennett, and Backlund can only be moved out if sweeteners are added.

So the only realistic options are either to try something they haven't done in the past decade, which is to hire a head coach who has won something in that role, or to burn the whole thing down, trade away any player who will return a future asset, tank hard, and build from scratch through the draft.

[868904]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I honestly think that Quenneville would be getting pretty similar results here if he were the head coach. The Flames will start turning things around as players start moving out.

It's pretty crazy how since 1989, this franchise has only been able to win a REAL playoff round when they have had a top end or Stanley Cup winning head coach behind the bench.

Any other year, first round playoff exit.

It's an astonishing coincidence that a really good coach can get you results.

[Mathgod]

Just gonna put this bad photoshop here...

Spoiler!

[Ashasx]

Still not satisfied:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1366955991644930049

[Hockey-and_stuff]

The firings will continue until morale improves!

[getbak]

Damn, Burke was able to work with Dubnyk and bring him back from oblivion after the Oilers destroyed his game.

What can he do with a tandem like Price and Allen?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by getbak

Damn, Burke was able to work with Dubnyk and bring him back from oblivion after the Oilers destroyed his game.

What can he do with a tandem like Price and Allen?

I imagine not much for vets like that. Sounds more like his job is their whole goalie development, which they’re gonna need soon.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I imagine not much for vets like that. Sounds more like his job is their whole goalie development, which they’re gonna need soon.

True.

Funny how no one complains about Sigalet this year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 868904

It's pretty crazy how since 1989, this franchise has only been able to win a REAL playoff round when they have had a top end or Stanley Cup winning head coach behind the bench.

Any other year, first round playoff exit.

It's an astonishing coincidence that a really good coach can get you results.

Those coaches also managed, between them, 4 missed playoffs and a first round exit. Hartley won 3 more PO games in 4 years than Ward won in 1.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

True.

Funny how no one complains about Sigalet this year.

Sigalet is a bum. There.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

True.

Funny how no one complains about Sigalet this year.

Because Sigalet is no longer coaching and was replaced by Labarbera.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Because Sigalet is no longer coaching and was replaced by Labarbera.

Well that's entirely false....he is Labarbaras boss.

https://www.nhl.com/flames/team/coaching-staff

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Well that's entirely false....he is Labarbaras boss.

https://www.nhl.com/flames/team/coaching-staff

Well since he is the director of goaltending for the organization, the statement that he isn’t the coach is in fact entirely true.

Labarbera is the goalie coach

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Still not satisfied:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1366955991644930049

Crazy part is I guess the firing happened in the second period of the game last night.

You'd think that firing the goalie coach is something that could have waited until today.