Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

Am I the only one who thinks that Dube being out for mental health specifically means he might not be one of the 5 being charged? Carter Hart for example was given a leave of absence. Might be grasping at straws here but it the difference seems like it might mean something

There’s a possibility. I was amazed that the tv intermission panel talked about Dube and the flames getting and granting help for mental illness, considering many people were connecting dots earlier. Didn’t think they would say anything on the subject last night. They certainly didn’t mention world jrs.

[gilligans_off]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

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It won't look good if they continue to support him once the investigation has concluded fault.

If there is fallout, they will act swiftly and appropriately.

If and when. Just a matter of time now.

[devo22]

well, that might be one hell of a coincidence with all these personal leaves ...

just yikes all around.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

Within days of 2 of the players from the team going on indefinite leaves of absences. Sure, could be a coincidence, but I don't like where this is going.

Originally Posted by gilligans_off

Wonder if anyone else will leave for “mental health reasons”

I think that this is so gross (assuming it happened). Players using the mental health aspect to deal with criminal charges and ramifications is just not the intended use in my opinion.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by gilligans_off

If and when. Just a matter of time now.

I would argue the team already knows?

[Aarongavey]

This is good news. Hopefully justice will be served.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Alex Formenton has just been granted a leave from his Swiss league team to return to Canada.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

This is good news. Hopefully justice will be served.

Which only might actually happen because of a political s storm that forced the London Police to re open the file.

Which is a point that can't be understated. Many folks I know call the legal system, just that, the legal system, as opposed to the justice system because it's more rare than it should be.

[jlh2640]

I am going to believe Dillon is not one of the 5, but he could be one of the 3 who made a poor choice and he likely regrets that. Reading his quote with Francis from last year sounds like he must have witnessed something and " wanted to share" but cant yet. We will see, innocent until proven otherwise. But no question 5 guys did something now with today's news.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

London police look like absolute trash in all of this. They initially closed their investigation in February 2019. Opened it back up in 2023. Embarrassing when the NHL and bad publicity forces you to do your job properly ( with the assistance of other investigators who are more competent than you) 5 years after the fact. Heads should roll but you know they won't.

This had nothing to do with the NHL. The Canadian federal government cut off all funding, and would have shut down Hockey Canada completely had they not agreed to hire Henein Hutchison to conduct a proper investigation.

This caused the London Police to freak out, and they asked a judge to have the law firm turn over the findings of their investigation. You can read more about it here. https://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/jud...ault-1.1895563

Nobody comes out of this looking good. The NHL, the London Police, and especially, the players, who are now accused of repeatedly gang raping an innocent woman over a period of several hours.

If Dube turns out to be one of the accused, the Flames are going to have to answer some serious questions about the nature of the press release they issued when he left the team. The outpouring of support from fans is not likely to be repeated the next time a player needs time off to deal with that type of thing.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Can you point us to that statement ?

I am not taking either sides , just trying to get informed

My mistake. It was speculation from Seravelli:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CalgaryFlames/s/xY1f1XnMoz

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Alex Formenton has just been granted a leave from his Swiss league team to return to Canada.

To me, with his lack of NHL interest, and statements. Combined with this, it isn't hard to read between the lines. See what happens I guess.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by stemit14

My mistake. It was speculation from Seravelli:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CalgaryFlames/s/xY1f1XnMoz

“Insiders” when it best serves themselves.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1750183698203349378

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1750183698203349378

Yikes

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Lots of speculation that Formenton was the ring leader in this incident.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1750182942444233009

indefinite leave for personal reasons. Sounds familiar.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

Am I the only one who thinks that Dube being out for mental health specifically means he might not be one of the 5 being charged? Carter Hart for example was given a leave of absence. Might be grasping at straws here but it the difference seems like it might mean something

I'm 100% speculating possibilities here, but If I wasn't part of it, but knew about it, and said nothing to anyone about it at the time, there certainly could be a lot of regret/remorse about not coming forward that would take a mental toll.

[MegaErtz]

Anything less than full and complete cooperation with the London Police and Henein Hutchison over the last five and a half years means that Dube is done in the NHL. It is obvious from independent reporting that he refused to hand over his phone when asked to do so repeatedly. I'm as big a Flames fan as anyone, but I'm sorry, cheering for someone who helped to cover up a gang rape is a bridge too far.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Slava

I think that this is so gross (assuming it happened). Players using the mental health aspect to deal with criminal charges and ramifications is just not the intended use in my opinion.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, and certainly think the Organization needs to feel serious blowback if this is how they presented a criminal charge against a player.

But, being charged for a crime would certainly erode someone's mental health substantially, wouldn't it? Not that it wasn't totally self inflicted, but it definitely could objectively cause someone to have a mental health crisis.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by stemit14

My mistake. It was speculation from Seravelli:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CalgaryFlames/s/xY1f1XnMoz

Just a good member of the old boys club along with his other pals at TSN.