Suits

[dammage79]

I did not know they were calling this season 4 still, been searching for two days like a fool for fresh new S05 episodes... at least I get to binge out on two episodes.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by dobbles

sorry for not responding. forgot i had posted in here!



the reason i think they need something new is that it essentially becomes a cycle. person x finds out, gotta figure out how to keep them quiet. person y finds out, gotta deal with that now. it just makes the plots formulaic.



and regarding mikes intelligence, i think they have ignored it entirely since season 1. sure, they solve some cases because he is smart, but in the same way that all of the lawyers working there are smart. not specifically because of his unique skill. you mention that the lie is the main reason he knows these people, but really isn't THE reason he knows them the intelligence thing? because had he not impressed harvey when they met, he would have never took a chance on him to begin with.

I remember scoffing at how ridiculous Mikes "abilities" were early on, then again when the writers basically scrapped that idea altogether. I kinda want to see some super genius Mike this season

[undercoverbrother]

I have not read this thread.


Just watched eps. 1 last night. Enjoyed it very much.

[Acey]

The pilot is still one of my favorite episodes they've done. It was just so nerdy and great.

[sureLoss]

Spoiler!

Ok Luis has finally forgiven Mike.

Lets hope the next story arc picks it up.

[Winsor_Pilates]

So Lewis is normal again, that lasted long...
Needs a strong story line to start up next episode; make or break time for the show.

[Machiavelli]

I'm disappointed with Suits lately; it's become very stale for me. I think I'm satiated with all the pretty outfits and faces, and I want some real drama. (Lewis blowing up when you know he's just going to go back to seeking Harvey's approval doesn't count).

[remember2004]

I've caught up to everything now and honestly it's been the same, I thought they would try to do something new because the last one was just a bunch of flashbacks and stuff that we haven't seen. Don't get me wrong what their doing is good just not great and I'll still watch it but I hope something changes.

[indes]

Am I the only one that thinks this show has devolved completely from a well written law drama to a soap opera? The last 2 seasons it really started to go down hill for me, almost every episode is about the relationships between the characters and doesn't seem to have anything to do with the premise of a law firm.

[Joborule]

I feel much the same way. The writing has hit a stale rut, and I'm hoping it'll amp back to more law drama but don't have my hopes up.

[Machiavelli]

The last episode was so much better.

[dammage79]

Sweet episode. Nice little build up into next week too.

[sureLoss]

Soild episode this week.

Lots of Donna screen time too, which is always a big plus.

[fredr123]

Spoiler!

Does anyone else feel like they're kind of retconning the Donna/Harvey story line a bit? It's only been the past season or so (I think) that there's been any hint that there was a history between the two and now it seems like at least once or twice an episode there's a throw away line about Donna and Harvey sleeping together. And now with Harvey's confession just before the credits roll in the latest episode...

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by fredr123

Spoiler!

Does anyone else feel like they're kind of retconning the Donna/Harvey story line a bit? It's only been the past season or so (I think) that there's been any hint that there was a history between the two and now it seems like at least once or twice an episode there's a throw away line about Donna and Harvey sleeping together. And now with Harvey's confession just before the credits roll in the latest episode...

I think so. The show has become a romantic soap. Donna and Harvey. Rachel and Mike. Malone and Jessica. Lewis and the Dean of Harvard. Let's get back to the basics of this show.

[Acey]

Yeah I'd kinda like them to get back to the law of it. I watch enough other shows with soap opera qualities that I'd like for this one to stay a legal drama.

[Machiavelli]

Sigh...I thought things were looking up when they killed the Jessica love story, then they go and do that.

[dobbles]

what did everyone think of the season finale?

will be interesting to see if donna goes through with her decision or if it was just something to spice up the ending.

i was also pretty happy with how they worked the flashbacks in the episode. i am generally not very excited when they do an entire flashback episode, but this one felt like the right amount of back-story sprinkled in.

edit: was just looking at the ratings for these 6 new episodes and they were pretty bad. wonder if the next season is the last? seems like its been a pretty steady decline in viewers since the first season.

[fredr123]

It's like they got a new writer during the hiatus who loooooves flashbacks. Two episodes since the return that flipped back and forth in time. Not a huge fan. When done right, it's okay, but it shouldn't become a narrative crutch.

And again, it feels like they are retconning stuff like Donna talking about herself in the third or whatever person. Seems weird she would do that in the flashback when she first met Harvey, forget all about it in seasons 1-3, and then start doing it again suddenly in season 4.

And as far as whether the show continues beyond season 5... I would be fine if it ended. It's turning into a soap opera. The early episodes were great because Mike was a super whizkid pseudo-lawyer using his powers to solve problems. And there was the tension of trying to keep his secret. Now, it's like Mike lost his super powers and everyone who matters knows he's not a lawyer.

Maybe they could get some more mileage out of this premise if Mike's secret is exposed and those that know about it are dragged down with him? Eric Roberts blabs about what Louis did. Louis crumbles and accidentally reveals just enough for the authorities to piece together Mike's secret. Harvey scrambles to clean up. Everyone who knows the secret is implicated. Mike could cut a deal for leniency and keep his fiancee out of jail by turning on Harvey (since everyone wants to nail Harvey anyway).

[To Be Quite Honest]

It's a Soap... The music is terrible as well.

If the "Love" crap doesn't stop I think I'm done with this show. Every episode there is some sort of love issue. I think the characters should start turning away from the camera during conflict.

Donna, "Harvey, love me and do me."
Harvey turns away from camera.
Harvey, "Donna, you know that I can't do that. Not in these conditions."
Donna, "Dammit Harvey, then I'm going to work for Lewis."
Donna turns away from camera and begins crying.
Harvey, "Donna, don't cry." Harvey begins to walk towards Donna. Then Donna storms out towards Lewis's empty secretary desk.

I think I'm just going through the motions on this show.