07-27-2021, 04:34 PM
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#2581
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Been a while since I have paid any attention to the arena debate, but have they mentioned arenas that are influencing the style/design?
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07-27-2021, 04:46 PM
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#2582
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Robbob
Yeah, I thought the benefit of the inverted was that it was cheaper in terms for cost of steel and had a smaller footprint.
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It was noted that with the inverted bowl, there would not be enough "cheap seats". Would be cool to have an inverted bowl, but if it cost too much to sit in anyways then leave it out.
Hopefully the design incorporates proper affordable sections that enourage standing and fans leading chants (like the legenday Foot Soldiers).
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07-27-2021, 04:52 PM
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#2584
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
IMO the upper deck of Rogers is far worse than the saddledome. I know people who refuse to sit on the second deck because it is too steep and it triggers their fear of heights. by experience, you can't lean forward at all in the seat without pissing off the people behind you and blocking their view of the ice.
It really feels like 2 tier fandom.
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I'd agree with this. I've even sat first row in the upper level in Rogers. It compares to PL here IMO.
I expect the upper level in the new arena here will be similar though. Maximize lower bowl size and fit in as many luxury boxes as you can.
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07-27-2021, 11:53 PM
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#2585
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbob
Been a while since I have paid any attention to the arena debate, but have they mentioned arenas that are influencing the style/design?
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The architecture team is Dialog & HOK. Dialog is local and worked on the new Library among other big projects. HOK is a large international firm that has worked on many stadium and arena projects.
HOK did both Little Caesars Arena and Rogers Place. They also did Nationwide Arena is Columbus, which Ken King frequently referenced as one of the models they were going to follow on this arena.
I suspect the design will ultimately be closer to Little Caesars than Rogers Place because I think it fits the area better.
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12-21-2021, 05:45 PM
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#2586
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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Bumping the big thread because it might get missed in the news only thread...
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Originally Posted by kermitology
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Originally Posted by mac_82
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Today, I spoke with Murray Edwards, primary shareholder of Calgary Sports & Entertainment Corp (CSEC), about the future of the Event Centre project.
He informed me of the Flames intention to pull the plug on the Event Centre deal.
Why? Here’s what I know:
The deal struck in summer of 2019 envisioned a $550 m deal w/costs split equally between CSEC & the City. In addition, the City provided land, 90% demolition of the ‘Dome, excess flood/site remediation, & levies. Total City contribution: $275m + $22.4m = $297.4 plus land. I supported that deal.
In July of this year, CSEC asked to make changes to the above deal. Calgary Municipal Land Corp was removed as Development Manager, both parties added an extra $12.5m for potential cost overruns and The City added up to another $10m in event management costs.
Total value: $307.4 + land. I did not support that deal.
Since I was elected Mayor, Administration & my office have been working with CSEC to mitigate any additional costs. Two costs were identified: climate mitigation of around $4m and road/sidewalk right of way issues of $12.1m.
The City came to the table to assist with $6.4m in roadways leaving $9.7m for the Flames. Based on this gap of $9.7m, I am told CSEC is walking away from our deal.
I am disappointed. On a project worth over $650m, to have one party walk away for 1.5% of the value of the deal is staggering.
I wanted Calgarians to be the first to know. I am as disappointed as all of you that this is the way things are ending.
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12-21-2021, 05:47 PM
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#2587
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Self Imposed Retirement
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Calgary
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That almost sounds like an April Fool's joke, I thought this was all done.
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12-21-2021, 05:47 PM
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It's not easy being green!
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: In the tubes to Vancouver Island
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Just when I was starting to warm back up to the Flames.. Murray Edwards goes and proves he 100% is the villain.
I hated the deal in the first place, never been on board with public funds here, but this is pedantic AF and the Flames can get bent.
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12-21-2021, 05:48 PM
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#2589
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All I can get
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I should've used this thread... I thought it warranted a new one.
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12-21-2021, 05:53 PM
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#2590
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I've been a fan since day one. #### it, move the team. Murray can wrap his billionaire lips around my chocolate starfish.
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12-21-2021, 05:54 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Maybe Murray Edwards wants to beat the Coyotes to Houston. I hear they're allowed to sell to capacity and even sell beers and concessions to their fans down there.
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12-21-2021, 06:02 PM
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#2592
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First Line Centre
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Those tweets read like the city went back in to ask for more money mere weeks before ground breaking. Makes no sense.
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12-21-2021, 06:03 PM
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#2593
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Originally Posted by Major Major
Those tweets read like the city went back in to ask for more money mere weeks before ground breaking. Makes no sense.
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Exactly my question on this.
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12-21-2021, 06:03 PM
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#2594
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary
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Move them to Houston. I’ll have tons of free time on my hands.
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12-21-2021, 06:05 PM
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Welcome to hell Flames fans.
This is my fault. 100% ready to be a full time Flames fan of the Yotes move to Houston and here we go
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12-21-2021, 06:12 PM
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#2596
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Silver lining is we don't end up with the "theatre end of the shopping mall" design. I prefer the parking lot. Pour some water on it and we'll play our own hockey game.
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12-21-2021, 06:42 PM
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I believe in the Jays.
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I knew this was gonna happen... the second they gave away control of the project in exchange for the limit on the cost overruns I knew Edwards and Co. would start trying to weasel out of paying anything with strong-arm tactics. #### Murray Edwards. Weasel.
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12-21-2021, 06:49 PM
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#2598
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: 161 St. - Yankee Stadium
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Originally Posted by Parallex
I knew this was gonna happen... the second they gave away control of the project in exchange for the limit on the cost overruns I knew Edwards and Co. would start trying to weasel out of paying anything with strong-arm tactics. #### Murray Edwards. Weasel.
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Not so fast. Sounds like the City changed the deal and CSEC told them to stuff it.
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12-21-2021, 10:05 PM
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#2599
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Edwards made that call shortly after the province announced capacity restrictions at the Saddledome while also effectively ending concession sales. I doubt that is a coincidence. The team made $0 from home games last year, had reduced income from 2019-20 due to the early end of the season and the play-off bubble, and is now facing drastically reduced revenues for the rest of this season. Maybe ownership has just had enough and don't see this team as a viable entity going forward?
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12-22-2021, 02:40 AM
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#2600
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Originally Posted by Parallex
I knew this was gonna happen... the second they gave away control of the project in exchange for the limit on the cost overruns I knew Edwards and Co. would start trying to weasel out of paying anything with strong-arm tactics. #### Murray Edwards. Weasel.
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this isn't at all what happened...city made up some fake costs because "they can afford it"
GL doing business like that in the real world
Climate mitigation lol...we can sit on our broke ass high horse as the city crumbles
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