2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by wretched34

Okay, you pressed me hard:

Blake Wheeler made his debut at age 22, was always a solid player but the last 5 years have been his best.

Duncan Keith made his debut at 22.

Patrick Sharp didn't earn a starting role til he was 22.

Martin St. Louis played his first game at 23, didn't earn a spot til he was 24.

Brett Hull had played 5 NHL games prior to his 23rd birthday....

Johnny Gaudreau didn't become an every day player til he was 21.

It's not as uncommon as you think for good players to get an education before becoming NHLers.

And what about Peter Stasny and Sergei Makarov?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I think anyone who's suggested trading Ferland has suggested it happens to make a package strong enough to land a top line RW.

I've seen a number of posters say he should be traded simply in order to ‘sell high’.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I've seen a number of posters say he should be traded simply in order to ‘sell high’.

But sell high doesn't indicate what the return is either way.

If anyone is suggesting just grabbing a high pick for him because we can, then no that wouldn't be a smart move at this point in the build while struggling to score.

If Ferland plus a D-man gets us a star RW, cost controlled then I'm all for it. It's incredibly difficult to fill top positions in this league and we have almost nothing to send back offensively to a team in a trade, so Ferland just may be the best and only chip we have for a big trade.

[GioforPM]

As much as people think we'd be selling high with Ferland, other GMs aren't dumb and would be worried they would be getting Dustin Penner 2.0.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

As much as people think we'd be selling high with Ferland, other GMs aren't dumb and would be worried they would be getting Dustin Penner 2.0.

he is not making 5 mil though


...ooops, I went to Dustin Brown, my bad

[Kybb79]

I hope Ferly is traded to the Jets or Bruins. He is made to be on a tough team. On a Cup contender he is a 3rd line player. Not his fault the Flames have no depth.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

I hope Ferly is traded to the Jets or Bruins. He is made to be on a tough team. On a Cup contender he is a 3rd line player. Not his fault the Flames have no depth.

Why would you hope this if the Flames have no depth?

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Why would you hope this if the Flames have no depth?

The masses around CP want him shipped out. He is one of my favorite players.

[Mattman]

Unless a team want's to take Ferland for an overpayment or until we have proven scoring and depth on the RW, that's when it'll make sense to trade Ferland.

Otherwise, if neither of those things happen, you keep Ferland.

[Vinny01]

I would put Ferland in a package with a Dman to add a top line forward

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bax

It is uncommon for a player to make the NHL at age 23 and then develop into a first line player in the next few years. William Karlsson is an aberration under extremely unusual circumstances. You would be hard pressed to find another situation like his, and even then he was playing NHL games when he was 20.

I don't think it is as rare as you are suggesting.

Who was the guy that cracked the Philly lineup at 25 several years ago, then played a few years on the top line?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Just for another example (among plenty): Will Butcher for the devils.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

NMC doesn't kick in until July 1

Could care less when it kicks in, there is not a sliver of a chance Backlund gets traded before hand, regardless of whether or not it’s the right move on paper to various CPers. That would be a very dirty move and something that almost no decent GM would do. Backlund 110% will not be traded.

[bax]

Originally Posted by wretched34

Okay, you pressed me hard:

Blake Wheeler made his debut at age 22, was always a solid player but the last 5 years have been his best.

Duncan Keith made his debut at 22.

Patrick Sharp didn't earn a starting role til he was 22.

Martin St. Louis played his first game at 23, didn't earn a spot til he was 24.

Brett Hull had played 5 NHL games prior to his 23rd birthday....

Johnny Gaudreau didn't become an every day player til he was 21.

It's not as uncommon as you think for good players to get an education before becoming NHLers.

Wheeler is a decent example, but it was clear he just being buried by depth in Boston and was always a good player. After he was eventually traded he put up over .7 PPG and never looked back. Even in his rookie year when he was a full year younger thank Jankowski he put up 45 points.

Fair enough on Keith, although typically defensemen hit their prime years later than forwards on average.

St.Louis is another example of a player that was always good, but just never given an opportunity.

Hull and Gaudreau both entered the NHL as studs and everybody knew it.

Once again, I'm not advocating moving Jankowski. I think he is useful player that will continue to get better. All I'm saying is that the odds of him becoming a number one center are slim and that putting him in the untouchable pile is silly.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by bax

Wheeler is a decent example, but it was clear he just being buried by depth in Boston and was always a good player. After he was eventually traded he put up over .7 PPG and never looked back. Even in his rookie year when he was a full year younger thank Jankowski he put up 45 points.

Fair enough on Keith, although typically defensemen hit their prime years later than forwards on average.

St.Louis is another example of a player that was always good, but just never given an opportunity.

Hull and Gaudreau both entered the NHL as studs and everybody knew it.

Once again, I'm not advocating moving Jankowski. I think he is useful player that will continue to get better. All I'm saying is that the odds of him becoming a number one center are slim and that putting him in the untouchable pile is silly.

Fair enough, I respect your opinion though mine differs slightly.
I'm just excited to see what he can bring over the next few seasons, then we'll really know what we have with him.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I thought maybe he was implying that Ferland would get traded in part of a package for an upgrade on RW.

Well in order to bolster strength in one area (RW) you don't usually trade away your best player at that position. If we want to increase our depth at RW we should deal from a position of strength (D) for a RWer. If we trade Ferland for a RWer we still only have 1 top 6 RWer. So I don't really get the point of that. And also we lack physical top 9 players so trading Ferland doesn't make a lot of sense from that perspective either. Tkachuk and Ferland need to be retained unless you want one of the softest top 9's in the entire league.

For several reasons trading Ferland doesn't make much sense to me.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

The masses around CP want him shipped out. He is one of my favorite players.

I'd say a very small minority want Ferland traded. Lets not exaggerate.

[dammage79]

If Micheal Ferland is your Best RW, thats a big problem.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by jayswin

But sell high doesn't indicate what the return is either way.

If anyone is suggesting just grabbing a high pick for him because we can, then no that wouldn't be a smart move at this point in the build while struggling to score.

If Ferland plus a D-man gets us a star RW, cost controlled then I'm all for it. It's incredibly difficult to fill top positions in this league and we have almost nothing to send back offensively to a team in a trade, so Ferland just may be the best and only chip we have for a big trade.

Hamilton is easily the best chip we have for a big trade IMO and would fetch a #1 RW+
Brodie is a valuable trade chip as well and may be able to fetch a #1 RW
Fox might be a valuable trade chip

We lack forward depth and especially depth at scoring RW. You don't increase that depth by dealing your only top 6 RW. You deal from your positions of strength and depth.

[The Boy Wonder]

I personally would like to see Stone + Fox used as the pieces to get an RW upgrade. I don’t think trading roster players is really an option considering most either have low value, no value, or else shouldn’t be traded.