2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1298326702070915075

What? Is this serious? A mediocre vet is mad that a skilled rookie improved enough to eat some of his minutes? What a ######

[Niemo]

How do we get Spencer Knight out of Florida? They are losing 3 big forward UFAs and have an expensive Bobrovsky with holes everywhere else (and cap space).

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Fan69

I just don't get this line of thinking.
Monahan is a top six and will play with top six players. what if he had a winger that actually dug pucks out of the corner?

Well, that’s what I meant with my point. Monahan has been use to playing with Gaudreau for so many years and going right to the slot or going right to the front of the net or playing that run & gun style that they’ve had a lot of success with.

But how will that change with a new player? Will he have to become grittier like I said and start digging in the corners and playing more of a half wall cycle kind of game or will he be forced to become more of the playmaker on his line? It’s probably one of the more interesting questions to ask if/when Gaudreau is traded.


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[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

What? Is this serious? A mediocre vet is mad that a skilled rookie improved enough to eat some of his minutes? What a ######

He can’t hear what you say, cause he’s got his.... bare fingers plugging his ears.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Farabee

Someone like Farabee would be great to target, but it makes little sense for the Flyers. They are far better off exploiting his value on his ELC.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Yeah it will be absolutely no problem moving a 30+ year old player who makes $7M and is easily $3M overpaid. Even easier because it is a flat cap.


Devils won’t be taking cap dumps they will want to improve right away. JVR has 3 years term as well so he is entering Neal/Lucic level contract.

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It's a little early to write JVR's obituary. Of course he is a goose egg through 6 games in Aug 2020 and has been a healthy(?) scratch a few times. Then again, his regular season production was still about as good as anyone on the Dallas Stars, whom we are all very familiar with.

We see bad contracts and want to make a narrative fit. Often it does, and it probably will soon for JVR, but he's not in Ladd/Eriksson/Okposo/etc territory [yet].

Similar story with Voracek - he's still a net positive on their first line, even if he is starting to slow down and has always been overpaid.


The Flyers' cap crunch doesn't come until next summer. I think it's very likely SEA takes one of them (and they don't even have to lose a young player). If the ED doesn't solve it for them, they'll figure it out another way then, but it won't involve packaging their very best assets to unload their worst ones.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Tons and tons of trade proposals in this thread for Gaudreau.

As big of a fan I am of Gaudreau, with just 2 years left on his deal , I’m not against the idea of trading him for long term help. But the biggest questions I have and think everyone else should consider is,


1) The Flames barely made the playoffs this season, so with that in mind, without Gaudreau’s regular season scoring prowess, can the Flames score enough goals to actually get to the playoffs?

2) Who will quarterback the powerplay? The Flames have had a pretty good powerplay for years now and with Gaudreau being the primary PP quarterback and zone entry specialist, who would be his replacement?

3) If the Flames do move on from just Johnny Gaudreau, how does the ______-Monahan-Lindholm line differ from the top line we saw last season? How would this line find success in the playoffs that they otherwise haven’t displayed in the past series.

4) Without Gaudreau, how will Monahan’s game evolve without his long time linemate? I’ve always been skeptical of him without Gaudreau. So, how does he get his goals? Does he become grittier for his goals? Can he drive play and create his own goals?

All good questions.
All reasons I'd rather trade Monahan than Gaudreau (if we can re sign Johnny).

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

All good questions.
All reasons I'd rather trade Monahan than Gaudreau (if we can re sign Johnny).

There seems to be general agreement the untouchables are very few.
Tkachuk
Lindholm
Dube
Mangiapane
Anderson
Valimaki

I long since stopped falling in love with players.

Treliving knows center is a position of strength.

Monahan scores a lot goals by any measure, best in his draft class. All the guys here hot and bothered to get Hall, who scored pretty much no more, no less per game. Monahan has also matured into one of the leagues more accomplished face off guys and thats hard to replace even if Lindholm can go to center.

Any team that wants Monahan or Backlund is going to have to offer a steep return. 1/2 the teams in the league would kill to have Monahan.

Love him but Bennett is still unproven over the course of a season. "Maybe this year" he finally turns the corner. God knows we've all predicted it every year and playoffs aside we're still waiting. If he does score 15 and pick up 20 or so apples that would make Ryan trade bait wouldn't it??? We are assuming Janko doesn't waive arbitration and resign for a year at 800-900 thou?

We're deep at Left D so does that make Hannaifin a trade chip? Hes a solid skater and passer but he is not physical as defensemen go.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

Treliving knows center is a position of strength.

We're deep at Left D so does that make Hannaifin a trade chip? Hes a solid skater and passer but he is not physical as defensemen go.

I don't really think we are that deep at center or LD. I am not sure why everyone thinks Lindholm will magically perform better as #1C.

[Poe969]

C is an important position but the Flames are far from strong down the middle.

[Roof-Daddy]

The Flames aren't weak down the middle either. They are missing an elite top line C, but the rest is fine. You add ROR to our center core and it'd be outstanding. Cup caliber for sure.

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don't really think we are that deep at center or LD. I am not sure why everyone thinks Lindholm will magically perform better as #1C.

Because Lindholm has played center and takes face offs pretty darn well himself. Lindholm also hits FWIW. He'd be as good as Monahan there but would he work as well with JG, if Monahan was traded?

Monahan 194 goals in 541 games. Becoming a true face off specialist as well. Replace that with an imaginary trade.

Backlund, captain of the Swedish national team, Selke nominee, Pretty much 20 goals a year from the 2nd line. Every team in the league tries to keep their best away from his line.

Bennett is what he is but it sure looks like he's finally ready to take regular shifts at center.

We pay Ryan over 3 mill a year because the whole league was "in on him" when he became a free agent. He came here because he knew and liked Bill Peters. He's been pretty good, better than Stajans last 2 years ( I liked Stajan) wouldn't you agree?

Jankowski may or may not be gone, depending on whether or not he waives his arb rights.

IMHO What JG and Monahan really need is a big physical RWer who comes with a hard shot. What'll that cost the Flames? Halls a lefty. Or just say say screw it and trade Johnny for what...a stud star center.

5 capable 2 way centers who can score a few goals and play a 200 foot game is depth. No we don't have a Malkin, Crosby, Stamkos, etc but the club does have good center depth. Heck of lot better than Edmontons center depth. Even McDavid is incapable of sound 200 foot play.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Agreed on the centre depth as capable, but not outstanding. Monahan isn't a superstar, but he is a No. 1 C in my opinion and allows for better slotting of Backlund/Bennett and Ryan. Trade Monahan, and you will need to replace that No. 1 C position, as I don't think Backlund/Bennett can handle it. Maybe Lindholm? But I don't see that as necessarily an upgrade. Janko, as I understand it, doesn't need to waive arb rights if the Flames don't make an offer. He would walk as a UFA.

[TOfan]

After some time to read/listen to what the Flames players and management have had to say, I wonder if the intent will be to add to the current forward.

What would it take to get Josh Anderson? As reported earlier, the Flames have been very interested in adding Anderson. Would he be a good RHS to add to Gaudreau-Monahan? Can adding ‘Tom Wilson lite’ change how effective the Johnny Monny combo perform come playoff time? Is that wishful thinking?

Jarmo is a pretty shrewd GM. The Flames are going to have to give something of value up, no question. People were suggesting Bennett for Anderson prior to the playoffs, based on this past performance, would the Flames want to move Bennett?

Mangiapane for Anderson?
Hanafin for Anderson?
Does CBS add in either trade? Anderson not playing last year is a big question mark.

Top three lines;

Gaudreau-Monahan-Anderson
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm
Lucic-Bennett-Dube

Admittedly, the suggestion of trading Mangiapane will be hugely unpopular, but the Flames are deep with LHS throughout the line up. He’s also sub-200 lbs which the Flames also seem to have an abundance of. Can adding Anderson provide what is needed to the top line?

[Roof-Daddy]

No to Mangiapane for Anderson, Josh just missed almost an entire season and scored 1 goal.

If the Jackets move Anderson it shouldn't take more than a 2nd round pick IMO.

Plus, I like the idea of adding Anderson and keeping Mangi.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Mangiapane
Dillon Dube - Bennett - Anderson

Thats a solid top 9.

I would also be ok with then dealing Johnny for futures and replacing him with Hall.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

No to Mangiapane for Anderson, Josh just missed almost an entire season and scored 1 goal.

If the Jackets move Anderson it shouldn't take more than a 2nd round pick IMO.

Plus, I like the idea of adding Anderson and keeping Mangi.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Mangiapane
Dillon Dube - Bennett - Anderson

Thats a solid top 9.

I would also be ok with then dealing Johnny for futures and replacing him with Hall.

True, he is coming off a one goal season lost to a shoulder injury, but 27 the year prior while playing with Panarin, I believe. There are questions with Anderson, which is why i suggest the Jackets may have to add.

One way or the other, I don’t see how the Glames enter next years post season with Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm top line. 2 years in a row of getting their heads handed to them is enough.

[Tbull8]

One guy I wouldn't mind taking a chance on is Galchenyuk. He's a UFA so can likely be had for super cheap. Defensively not great but has a high skillset. Could see him turning it around with Backlund, and has a great shot on the PP

[ComixZone]

Unpopular opinion: Andrew Mangiapane should be traded for a 1st round pick in this draft if Johnny Gaudreau is staying with the team.

Skilled, but small. Doesn't look as strong as Dube on his skates or on the forecheck. I believe this team needs to transition away from being a group of small players to just one or two highly talented small players. It also helps alleviate some expansion draft pressure.

If Johnny is getting traded, sure - Mang can have that small forward spot - but if Johnny is staying because he'll re-sign here, then I'd trade Mang for a 1st.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Could Mangiapane even get you a 1st though?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Could Mangiapane even get you a 1st though?

Yeah, easily.

Andrew Mangiapane >> Kasperi Kapanen.

We just saw this deal happen yesterday. Kapanen returned the 15th overall. Mangiapane is better, hands down.

[Tbull8]

Mangiapane and 19th to Buffalo for 8th? How much would we have to add?