"It's financially insane to buy anything other than a Tesla," Musk said in April 2019. "If you buy a car that does not have the hardware necessary for full self-driving, it is like buying a horse."
I wonder if that will come back to bite him in the ass when they realize camera only FSD is lacking the hardware needed for FSD.
Hmm a horse has full self-driving capability while Tesla does not.
Buying a Tesla for FSD tech today is arguably insane as the tech will be immediately outdated in a few years. Did the people who paid $10,000 for the FSD radar technology get ripped off since Tesla pivoted to camera only? Is that stuff now just wasted dead weight in their cars?
The documentary “Elon Musk’s Crash Course” is up on Crave. Interesting viewing about their wishy-washiness over autopilot/FSD/whatever they’re trying to call it these days and general failure to care.
It looks like if physically hurts Musk whenever he has to say that you need to pay attention when in autopilot mode.
The documentary “Elon Musk’s Crash Course” is up on Crave. Interesting viewing about their wishy-washiness over autopilot/FSD/whatever they’re trying to call it these days and general failure to care.
It looks like if physically hurts Musk whenever he has to say that you need to pay attention when in autopilot mode.
I am stunned that consumers are paying a significant amount of money for FSD.
All of the ADAS stuff that can make vehicles safer is great. That’s probably what is most responsible for reducing collisions.
Still trying to sell FSD is bordering on fraudulent.
Bordering??
FSD doesn't happen, isn't even close, and Tesla keeps INCREASING the charge for it on their cars, because people will pay for something that doesn't exist.
"One day" they will have FSD and it will be worth it... I wonder how many people will be on their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th Tesla before it happens (if ever, LOL)
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FSD doesn't happen, isn't even close, and Tesla keeps INCREASING the charge for it on their cars, because people will pay for something that doesn't exist.
"One day" they will have FSD and it will be worth it... I wonder how many people will be on their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th Tesla before it happens (if ever, LOL)
I just don't see Tesla as succeeding in the direction they have taken. From Musk:
Basically what I've been saying for years. To use vision only, you need generalized AI. So unless you think humanity is creating generalized AI in the next few years, it sure seems like a path to failure.
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The next decade will play a crucial role in accelerating the development of AGI. In fact, experts believe that there is a 25% chance of achieving human-like AI by 2030.
I suspect those 25% are over ambitious. So since, what, 2016 or so Tesla has been selling a product that can't be delivered any time soon. And Musk knows it. It's fraud.
The documentary “Elon Musk’s Crash Course” is up on Crave. Interesting viewing about their wishy-washiness over autopilot/FSD/whatever they’re trying to call it these days and general failure to care.
It looks like if physically hurts Musk whenever he has to say that you need to pay attention when in autopilot mode.
To be clear here, “autopilot” and “Full Self Driving” are different products on Tesla cars.
Autopilot are the driver aids - lane keep, auto cruise, etc, that many cars have these days. Everything I’ve heard says that the Tesla versions of these is very good.
Full Self driving is intended to be another step up, and is very good in 99% of situations. However, the 1% of situations require the driver to still be fully aware.
The problem is the marketing. “Full self driving” is nowhere near being able to fully self drive. Out of the 5 levels of automated driving, it’s still only a level 2:
There are actually level 3 systems being tested by auto manufacturers, but not by Tesla. Audi is working on a system that lets the driver not even pay attention when I’m backed up traffic on a freeway. Even that is still a long ways away from “full self driving”
Level 5 autonomous driving is still a long ways away. Level 4 will come sooner, being fully autonomous on freeways, but even that is not in the next couple years.
I believe Mercedes was the first manufacturer to attain level 3 autonomy with their Drive Pilot.
and unlike Tesla FSD beta, Mercedes takes 100% liability when their level 3 system is engaged while in use in Germany suggesting they are very confident it works.
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and unlike Tesla FSD beta, Mercedes takes 100% liability when their level 3 system is engaged while in use in Germany suggesting they are very confident it works.
Well Tesla's automatic wiper function is horrifically bad so if they can't get that right I don't blame them for disowning responsibility when it comes to FSD.
So the latest news is that Tesla is deleting ultrasonic sensors - something I have even in my 15 year old vehicle.
This is terrible news for me, I park in mostly tight parkades with lots of pillars and close in cars and walls. Those sensors are essential for park assist to warn you of surrounding objects and your distance to them up to the centimeter.
Tesla dropped the sensors in all 2023 vehicles that are being delivered now but the software hasn't caught up. They are promising that their cameras/vision system will take over this job but there are no cameras on the bumpers to detect low objects. Basically right now if you pay for full self driver or autopilot, they have disabled a bunch of features you paid for like summon, auto park, etc. because they won't work without these sensors!
What other company removes features like this without a solution? Not only that their track record on delivering timely fixes/solutions is very spotty. That's not even the worst thing they are removing. The 2023 Model 3/Y will also remove the left and right paddles, sliding gearshift, and touch turn signals.
These cost cutting moves align with the timeline of a certain person being forced to go through with a very large purchase they were trying to get out of. Not sure what the endgame is with Tesla but I don't see a bright future with the way they are running the business as none of their promises come to fruition and they keep making changes to current products that nobody is asking for or wants and are making their vehicles more complicated to own and operate. A 2023 Model 3 is stripped down of a lot of hardware that was available standard in 2017 models from radar, ultrasonic sensors, passenger power lumbar support, turn signal and drive stalks, Homelink, portable charger, etc. They are getting by on their ability to manufacture higher volumes of EV's over the competition but once that gap narrows I don't see the point in buying a Tesla.
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