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Old 04-30-2019, 02:46 PM   #4521
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Two major characters with redemption arcs who had "DESTINED TO DIE HEROICALLY" stamped on their foreheads for the last three seasons.
Totally fair. I'd argue you could say the same for Jaime Brienne and The Hound too though (maybe not redemption for Brienne but realizing her life's goal hours before a huge battle seems like a good arc)
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:02 PM   #4522
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Eh, I think it was more due to arrogance. You could see it in how he dealt with John. And how he dealt with Theon. The arrogance allowed Arya to get the drop on him.



And, I mean, plot too, obviously. But the logical choice would be to stay home and have him brought to you.
I think he has to be on close proximity to the whights to keep them going.

Yes definitely a degree of arrogance too. He seems to want to taunt Brann
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:07 PM   #4523
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I think he has to be on close proximity to the whights to keep them going.

Yes definitely a degree of arrogance too. He seems to want to taunt Brann
Maybe he needs to get more range on his whight-fi connection.
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He got banished from Dany's inner circle and ends up getting greyscale, I wouldn't exactly call that un-punished.
He wasn't punished with greyscale, that just happened after his banishment.
His head would have been off if not for his scripted redemption to come in the plot, AKA plot armour.
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Old 04-30-2019, 05:45 PM   #4525
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The NK did remarkably well considering he didn't have any air superiority and zero direct/indirect fire. He effectively used countermeasures to render the Allied air essentially useless. However, engaging in a dogfight from below is a cardinal sin.

Military Operations in Castle Terrain is tricky business and the NK failed when he didn't confirm the castle was clear before entering the perimeter. In fact, he should have had his subordinates bring Brann out of the castle. I guess after 10,000 years - give or take - I can only conclude he was impatient.

Alas, as there doesn't appear to be any survivors, there won't be any After Action Review to discuss.

It is worth noting the logistical advantages of supporting an undead army.
- No need to feed
- No fatigue management
- No camp requirements
- No projectile weapons = no ammo supply
- Minimal waste management
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I don't think a lot of these questions need answers.

I always assumed that the NK was interested in Bran because the Three-Eyed Raven had sixth-sense powers that were a threat to the NK. The NK was programmed to knock him off the same way a disease attacks a vital organ. There isn't a "reason" or "intention", it's just the nature of it.

Why is the NK suddenly making his move now after 8,000 years? The NK isn't a human and doesn't reason like one. He is more like a force of nature/magic. He is like a natural disaster or plague that could occur at any time. Like pressure building up before a volcano finally erupts, the NK's army was slowly building for those 8,000 years until it was time. Why does it have to be more than that?
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The NK did remarkably well considering he didn't have any air superiority and zero direct/indirect fire. He effectively used countermeasures to render the Allied air essentially useless. However, engaging in a dogfight from below is a cardinal sin.

Military Operations in Castle Terrain is tricky business and the NK failed when he didn't confirm the castle was clear before entering the perimeter. In fact, he should have had his subordinates bring Brann out of the castle. I guess after 10,000 years - give or take - I can only conclude he was impatient.

Alas, as there doesn't appear to be any survivors, there won't be any After Action Review to discuss.

It is worth noting the logistical advantages of supporting an undead army.
- No need to feed
- No fatigue management
- No camp requirements
- No projectile weapons = no ammo supply
- Minimal waste management
- No Health & Safety risk assessments (they're already dead)
- No HR issues
- no environmental assessments
- no Gender Briefings
- no sexual harassment briefings
I mentioned this earlier, but there's a reason that Genghis Khan was able to conquer the world with relative ease. Melee forces are pretty useless against mounted units. Especially undead ones that can't hold pikes properly. Houses at full charge generate a huge amount of power. An army of thousands of mounted Dothraki would have decimated the whights.
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Genghis Khan didn't go up against undead giants and focalized war blizzards. Also charging into a horde that outnumbers you greatly doesn't work at the best of times, throw in a collective mind, no fear, oh and the undead and it's not the same as Genghis Khan.
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I mentioned this earlier, but there's a reason that Genghis Khan was able to conquer the world with relative ease. Melee forces are pretty useless against mounted units. Especially undead ones that can't hold pikes properly. Houses at full charge generate a huge amount of power. An army of thousands of mounted Dothraki would have decimated the whights.
Wait, Genghis Khan had solar panels?
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I think the night king not being the ultimate bad guy in the series is very fitting to the game of thrones.

If you look at other fantasy books the big bad is killed and everything lives happily ever after. In this story the Night King goes down and the political battle between the humans just wages on.

The world didn’t band together to fight the Night King, the smart people sat out.

If GoT wants to finish its subversion of the Genre Cersei should win the iron throne because she acted in solid self interest and preserved her troops instead of throwing them away against the night king. The Dany/North alliance should fracture either with John leaving with Dany and Sansa controlling the North and the Vale or with Dany killing John to eliminate a rival claim to the throne.

The message of leaving the night king without motivation and finishing it early is that people are the real source of evil and horror in this world and magic or ideals doesn’t protect you from them
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I mentioned this earlier, but there's a reason that Genghis Khan was able to conquer the world with relative ease. Melee forces are pretty useless against mounted units. Especially undead ones that can't hold pikes properly. Houses at full charge generate a huge amount of power. An army of thousands of mounted Dothraki would have decimated the whights.
Calvery is a fear based tool. The eights wouldn’t have broken ranks. Eventually you compact the wights into a wall that stop the horses than the remaining whights kill them. The wight line appeared to be hundreds deep and thousands across. The calvery doesn’t stand a chance once it’s slowed or the horses trip over the dead.

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Calvery is a fear based tool. The eights wouldn’t have broken ranks. Eventually you compact the wights into a wall that stop the horses than the remaining whights kill them. The wight line appeared to be hundreds deep and thousands across. The calvery doesn’t stand a chance once it’s slowed or the horses trip over the dead.
I disagree. Horses are tall enough that they can ride over top of the corpses. They would pound the whights into puddles beneath them. The Mongols managed to overcome heavy formations of armed knights and legions of Chinese soldiers. From a physics standpoint alone those half decayed whights way a fraction of what an armed person on horseback weighs.
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Oh lord help us. We're getting into a physics debate in a universe where there's ####ing magic.

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I think we've clearly been shown the results of cavalry vs a wall of undead.
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Everyone knows there’s only one way to defeat cavalry.

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I have no idea if this is all true. I do know the ice dragon was keeping Jon from going into the garden.

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I have no idea if this is all true. I do know the ice dragon was keeping Jon from going into the garden.

I’m buying this 100%.
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