11-14-2022, 03:25 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2003
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Discussion on improving the league.
Can someone remind me why we got away from using NHL draft lottery as the standard for the CPHL lottery? I know the number of teams doesn’t line up (anymore) but IMO it was so fun matching up the CPHL teams with the NHL teams and watching the lottery live knowing where the pick lands.
If there is a way to get back to that, I think it would be great.
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11-14-2022, 03:35 PM
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#2
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Franchise Player
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Because of the complexity of the rules, including around how many teams can win the lottery, which would impact their order and therefore ours, even though it shouldn't.
https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds
There's no realistic way to match the NHL lottery anymore.
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11-14-2022, 03:36 PM
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#3
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Franchise Player
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This is the type of thing that is impossible for us to account for:
Teams are only allowed to improve their positioning via the Lottery twice in a five year period (beginning with the 2022 Lottery).
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11-14-2022, 03:41 PM
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#4
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2003
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Gotcha.
The spreadsheet thing seemed quite complicated and looked time consuming. Can’t we just use https://www.random.org/lists/ to do this? It’s widely acceptable randomizer for card breaks etc.
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11-14-2022, 03:58 PM
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#5
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Franchise Player
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Now that I have it set-up the spreadsheet is pretty easy. Just requires me to update the teams based on the final standings.
I don't know how that randomizer works. But also not sure why we would change from something that seems to be working. What's the concern?
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11-14-2022, 04:06 PM
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#7
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Join Date: Jun 2003
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No concern, just a couple questions. Got my answer.
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11-14-2022, 04:40 PM
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#8
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2003
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I do have more questions but not sure we will get anywhere. Anytime a question is asked ‘what’s your concern’ vs ‘is there a concern’ suggests I have an issue and I don’t. Just asking question.
Just a guy trying to have a conversation on an Internet forum.
Can we continue?
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11-14-2022, 05:00 PM
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#9
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Franchise Player
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Yes of course, just trying to understand the objectives.
I'm not a fan of change for the sake of change. I like change when there is an understanding of the intended outcomes that one is trying to achieve through those changes.
So understanding the "problem we are trying to solve" is how I approach this. When that isn't clear - I ask.
Same way I approach this in my job. I don't like starting with an end solution, I like to understand what is the problem we are trying to solve and if it's meaningful or not.
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11-14-2022, 05:06 PM
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#10
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Join Date: Jun 2003
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It was way more fun (for me) to watch the live NHL draft on tv knowing how it matched up in the cphl, that’s all. Just one of the things I really looked forward to and couldn’t remember why the change. I was hoping there was a way to get back to that, even if we get creative. Maybe I’m on an island on that one but it was actually one of my favorite parts, watching the ‘real’ live lottery knowing how it impacts CPHL.
If there is a smart GM here that can figure out how this might be possible again based on the NHL restrictions Grant outlined, I’d like to know if there is an appetite to move back to this.
Question 2.
Why don’t we add Boston and Jets back into the league. Had a conversation with Cambam the other day who is a huge Bruins fan and I told him they once did exist.
Can we go to a 30/32 team league? Expansion draft for those two teams might be a ton of fun.
Last edited by MJK; 11-14-2022 at 05:12 PM.
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11-14-2022, 05:12 PM
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#11
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Uncle Chester
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I can GM two teams. San Jose being one of them.
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11-14-2022, 05:15 PM
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#12
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An off-season expansion draft could be fun, and could even out some of the disparity between the top teams and the bottom. Losing one or two really good players/prospects could add quite a bit of parity, and might even make it more interesting for the rich teams to have to scramble a bit more.
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11-14-2022, 05:19 PM
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Uncle Chester
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That idea won't gain traction around here, lol. I'd probably be against it, too, if I had built up a team that was loaded. Takes time and effort to get there. Less effort to stay there.
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11-14-2022, 05:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SportsJunky
That idea won't gain traction around here, lol. I'd probably be against it, too, if I had built up a team that was loaded. Takes time and effort to get there. Less effort to stay there.
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Not sure I agree with you but will see I guess. I would think top teams would be open to exposing certain players because every year you have to ‘dump’ solid guys anyways outside the UFA guys.
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11-14-2022, 05:28 PM
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#16
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Join Date: Jun 2003
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Sub question to question 2, if it just doesn’t make sense to expand, is there anything stopping a team like Nashville to relocate to Boston if there is an equal desire for someone to do the same going East to West to even it up?
Boston is an Original 6 team, should be in the league somehow.
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11-14-2022, 05:35 PM
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#17
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Franchise Player
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Would require some work from Cam.
To me the bigger issue is that we have 15 teams in the East and 13 in the west.
We probably need move one from the east to the west to re-balance things properly.
I need help remembering to solve that in the off-season.
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11-14-2022, 05:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SportsJunky
That idea won't gain traction around here, lol. I'd probably be against it, too, if I had built up a team that was loaded. Takes time and effort to get there. Less effort to stay there.
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I'm not against it out of fears of losing assets. I've always opposed broader dispersal drafts because I think that's where you punish GMs for taking a long view.
But an expansion draft to me isn't the same.
My opposition is that long-term I think it hurts the league by actually amplifying the issues we experience currently.
Over the long-term I believe the asset disparity would worsen, with the same number of assets spread across more teams. The gap between those teams that take an asset-building long view v. those that take a short-term win now view would actually widen.
You'd be back to where you started. And worse.
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11-14-2022, 05:46 PM
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#19
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Uncle Chester
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Actually, I had "dispersal draft" on my brain. Expansion draft is different, for sure.
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11-14-2022, 05:54 PM
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#20
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Waterloo, Ontario
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I think expansion would be great.
The idea that it delutes the league has no more basis than it did in the NHL. It would create excitement around an expansion draft and even if a GM here has spent years building their team, it's no different than the NHL which we kind of model ourselves after. So you have to think about who to protect and who to set free, sounds like a fun addition to the league. New teams, new people to deal with. The GM issue is a non issue, there has always been change or Flux, that will never change, it's the nature of the beast and a free to play league... And I have always managed to fill roles adequately.
Change is good..new blood is great...let's just do it.
Take a vote on it..
Last edited by Cheese; 11-14-2022 at 05:57 PM.
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