Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community
Old 07-15-2020, 09:49 PM   #81
SuperMatt18
Franchise Player
 
SuperMatt18's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic View Post
I don't thi k he was in 2011. He is a hell of a lot better more recently.

Sent from my SM-G960W using Tapatalk
He certainly was already elite in 2011, he was already a Canadian Olympian at that point and was always seen as one of the best two way players in the game.

He already had two 70 point seasons at that point too, for a couple years there though he was just asked to play the tougher role and Krejci was given more of the softer offensive minutes.

Last edited by SuperMatt18; 07-15-2020 at 09:56 PM.
SuperMatt18 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to SuperMatt18 For This Useful Post:
Old 07-15-2020, 09:51 PM   #82
Wolfman
First Line Centre
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Saving the world one gif at a time
Exp:
Default

Wolfman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2020, 11:23 PM   #83
PepsiFree
Participant
Participant
 
PepsiFree's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18 View Post
He certainly was already elite in 2011, he was already a Canadian Olympian at that point and was always seen as one of the best two way players in the game.

He already had two 70 point seasons at that point too, for a couple years there though he was just asked to play the tougher role and Krejci was given more of the softer offensive minutes.
Really? You think Boston would bury an elite 1C on the second line behind Krejci of all players?

Sure, he was a surprise addition to the Olympic team like Doughty. Does that automatically make a player elite? Was Brendan Morrow elite? Mike Richards?

Outside of his two 70-point seasons pre-concussion (where his defensive play was good, but not anything like the reputation he currently has for it), Bergeron was was more similar to Mikael Backlund at the time of his cup win. Would you call the last few years of Backlund “elite 1C” material?

Bergeron wouldn’t even be a Selke finalist or a an All-Star until after the cup win, and he wouldn’t be really what anyone would call truly elite until 2013-14.

But this is kind of my point. Someone wins a Cup (and in Bergeron’s case, gets to an entirely different level afterwards) and it repaints their history before them. Bergeron was great, but he’d become something else entirely later on, and people then convince themselves that he was always “that” player, or that the signs were always there, when just as often for other players those signs go on to mean nothing. Everyone wants to say they saw it all along, but everything is pretty easy to judge in retrospect.
PepsiFree is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to PepsiFree For This Useful Post:
Old 07-16-2020, 05:05 AM   #84
Scroopy Noopers
Pent-up
 
Scroopy Noopers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18 View Post
He certainly was already elite in 2011, he was already a Canadian Olympian at that point and was always seen as one of the best two way players in the game.

He already had two 70 point seasons at that point too, for a couple years there though he was just asked to play the tougher role and Krejci was given more of the softer offensive minutes.
At the olympics they literally had Bergeron on the ice for faceoffs and he would skate off the ice. He was definitely not viewed like that in 2010.
Scroopy Noopers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2020, 07:13 AM   #85
Monahammer
Franchise Player
 
Monahammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AC View Post
Lol.
Honestly I had forgotten why I had that dude ignored but he reminded me (multiple times) within the span of 24 hours.
Monahammer is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Monahammer For This Useful Post:
Old 07-16-2020, 08:25 AM   #86
Huntingwhale
Franchise Player
 
Huntingwhale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kurwamac View Post
you should look in the mirror and worry about yourself.. you fight for scraps in Canada - I've got it made keep tap dancing for a bunch of guys son - I've got it good where it counts boy
I have no idea what this post is saying, but it's hilarious.
Huntingwhale is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Huntingwhale For This Useful Post:
Old 07-16-2020, 08:29 AM   #87
Strange Brew
Franchise Player
 
Strange Brew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Exp:
Default

Is Beta bad? Do I need to ask my kids?
Strange Brew is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Strange Brew For This Useful Post:
Old 07-16-2020, 08:40 AM   #88
mennoknight
Scoring Winger
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Huntingwhale View Post
I have no idea what this post is saying, but it's hilarious.
I googled "keep tap dancing for a bunch of guys" but didn't see any hits. I think he's a genius and has coined a new meme.
__________________
robyn regehr is brazilian
mennoknight is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to mennoknight For This Useful Post:
Old 07-16-2020, 09:01 AM   #89
Huntingwhale
Franchise Player
 
Huntingwhale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mennoknight View Post
I googled "keep tap dancing for a bunch of guys" but didn't see any hits. I think he's a genius and has coined a new meme.
I think he meant to write "gays" tbh. At least that would make sense .
Huntingwhale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2020, 09:04 AM   #90
FurnaceFace
Franchise Player
 
FurnaceFace's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: 110
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kurwamac View Post
you should look in the mirror and worry about yourself.. you fight for scraps in Canada - I've got it made keep tap dancing for a bunch of guys son - I've got it good where it counts boy
This reminds me of the WWII codes the British used to broadcast on radio for the French resistance to hear. I just haven’t figured out who is going to get invaded now.
__________________


Hockey is just a game the way ice cream is just glucose, love is just
a feeling, and sex is just repetitive motion.

___________________________________- A Theory of Ice
FurnaceFace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2020, 10:13 AM   #91
VilleN
First Line Centre
 
VilleN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kurwamac View Post
you should look in the mirror and worry about yourself.. you fight for scraps in Canada - I've got it made keep tap dancing for a bunch of guys son - I've got it good where it counts boy
That's a signature.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurwamac View Post
you should look in the mirror and worry about yourself.. you fight for scraps in Canada - I've got it made keep tap dancing for a bunch of guys son - I've got it good where it counts boy
VilleN is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to VilleN For This Useful Post:
Old 07-16-2020, 10:16 AM   #92
VilleN
First Line Centre
 
VilleN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew View Post
Is Beta bad? Do I need to ask my kids?
It's terrible, VHS beat out it ages ago.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurwamac View Post
you should look in the mirror and worry about yourself.. you fight for scraps in Canada - I've got it made keep tap dancing for a bunch of guys son - I've got it good where it counts boy
VilleN is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to VilleN For This Useful Post:
Old 07-16-2020, 10:52 AM   #93
Textcritic
Acerbic Cyberbully
 
Textcritic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew View Post
Is Beta bad? Do I need to ask my kids?
__________________
Dealing with Everything from Dead Sea Scrolls to Red C Trolls

Quote:
Originally Posted by woob
"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
"The Lying Pen of Scribes" Ancient Manuscript Forgeries Project
Textcritic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2020, 10:52 AM   #94
CroFlames
Franchise Player
 
CroFlames's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Exp:
Default

I'd love to know what he meant by that word salad. It's amazing how much sense it doesn't make.

You fight for scraps in Canada?? Are we a third world country?

I've got it made? Lives on a tropical island with beautiful women feeding him grapes?

Keep tap dancing for a bunch of guys son? ??????

I've got it good where it counts? Big wiener?

Boy? Racist?
CroFlames is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to CroFlames For This Useful Post:
Old 07-16-2020, 11:23 AM   #95
AC
Resident Videologist
 
AC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Remember he also despises Oliver Kylington.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kurwamac View Post
Least favourite, without any question: Kylington
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurwamac View Post
can't wait until he's traded or fades out in the ahl
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurwamac View Post
last thing we need is a cocky skinny guy on our blue line
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurwamac View Post
team gets knocked out 1st round for being too small and none of you have a problem with having a toothpick on the blue line who thinks he's better than he is. can't stand the guy.
AC is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to AC For This Useful Post:
Old 07-16-2020, 11:56 AM   #96
blankall
Ate 100 Treadmills
 
blankall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by powderjunkie View Post
Perhaps the team build idea is true, but the last team standing has still always had a really strong 1-2 punch down the middle.

Blackhawks are the one team you could argue were built more from the outside in, but playing guys like Bolland or Sharp (more ideally a winger) at 2C is still better than what Calgary has had, and bolstered by having a top 3 winger of this generation on that line.

Not sure who played 2C for the '08 Red Wings, but they are the only other team without a pretty obvious 1-2 punch.
A lot of other posters have already mentioned it, but a lot of 1-2 strength down the middle is hindsight bias. ROR being the best example. Everyone thought he was a borderline #1 Centre, until he won a cup.

Once again if you pull out Pittsburgh, who had Crosby, the winners are all over the place in terms of where their strengths came from.

Boston: Krejci is hardly elite. Bergeron was developing and not elite.

Chicago: Toews and Richards. Both players were not their peak selves when Chicago won the 2014/15 championship. IMO Toews was always highly overrated, and it's become more and more obvious over time that Kane, the winger, is driving that forward group. While I would still take 2014/15 Toews/Richards over Monahan/Backlund, I just don't see how the gap is so unsurmountable that you can't bridge it by having more depth on the wing.

Kings: Yes Kopitar/Carter is a good 1/2 punch. However, the rest of the forward depth was abysmal. The true strength of this team was team play and grit. It was Sutter team. Sutter took the Flames to game 7 of the cup final with....Conroy?

Ducks: This was the Selanne/Neidermeyer show. Similar to Bergeron, Getzlaf had not developed into the player he was going to be. Their number one centre was....Andy McDonald?

Canes: Yes, Staal and Brind'Amour were great, but the real strength was depth.

I also think that as the game opens up, we are going to see teams become even more complex. More and more teams will rely on their defencemen to provide the offense, taking further emphasis away from centres.
blankall is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to blankall For This Useful Post:
Old 07-16-2020, 12:11 PM   #97
Geeoff
Franchise Player
 
Geeoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AC View Post
Remember he also despises Oliver Kylington.
This is such an odd take. I wouldn't consider Kylington cocky at all.


You know who is a little cocky? Rasmus Andersson! And it's my favourite thing about him.


Maybe he's getting them mixed up?
Geeoff is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Geeoff For This Useful Post:
Old 07-16-2020, 12:13 PM   #98
Jiri Hrdina
Franchise Player
 
Jiri Hrdina's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AC View Post
Remember he also despises Oliver Kylington.
People with a weird focus on a single player always strikes me as odd. I dare not speak his name but there was a poster on here that posted a ton, daily, and almost entirely about James Neal.
He continued for a period of time after Neal was traded, and since then - nothing.
What's up with that?
Jiri Hrdina is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Jiri Hrdina For This Useful Post:
Old 07-16-2020, 12:14 PM   #99
Scroopy Noopers
Pent-up
 
Scroopy Noopers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina View Post
People with a weird focus on a single player always strikes me as odd. I dare not speak his name but there was a poster on here that posted a ton, daily, and almost entirely about James Neal.
He continued for a period of time after Neal was traded, and since then - nothing.
What's up with that?
I don’t know either, but that was a rare 100% correct stance.
Scroopy Noopers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2020, 12:15 PM   #100
Geeoff
Franchise Player
 
Geeoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina View Post
People with a weird focus on a single player always strikes me as odd. I dare not speak his name but there was a poster on here that posted a ton, daily, and almost entirely about James Neal.
He continued for a period of time after Neal was traded, and since then - nothing.
What's up with that?
To be fair, Neal earned it
Geeoff is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:12 AM.

Calgary Flames
2023-24




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021