I don't thi k he was in 2011. He is a hell of a lot better more recently.
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He certainly was already elite in 2011, he was already a Canadian Olympian at that point and was always seen as one of the best two way players in the game.
He already had two 70 point seasons at that point too, for a couple years there though he was just asked to play the tougher role and Krejci was given more of the softer offensive minutes.
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He certainly was already elite in 2011, he was already a Canadian Olympian at that point and was always seen as one of the best two way players in the game.
He already had two 70 point seasons at that point too, for a couple years there though he was just asked to play the tougher role and Krejci was given more of the softer offensive minutes.
Really? You think Boston would bury an elite 1C on the second line behind Krejci of all players?
Sure, he was a surprise addition to the Olympic team like Doughty. Does that automatically make a player elite? Was Brendan Morrow elite? Mike Richards?
Outside of his two 70-point seasons pre-concussion (where his defensive play was good, but not anything like the reputation he currently has for it), Bergeron was was more similar to Mikael Backlund at the time of his cup win. Would you call the last few years of Backlund “elite 1C” material?
Bergeron wouldn’t even be a Selke finalist or a an All-Star until after the cup win, and he wouldn’t be really what anyone would call truly elite until 2013-14.
But this is kind of my point. Someone wins a Cup (and in Bergeron’s case, gets to an entirely different level afterwards) and it repaints their history before them. Bergeron was great, but he’d become something else entirely later on, and people then convince themselves that he was always “that” player, or that the signs were always there, when just as often for other players those signs go on to mean nothing. Everyone wants to say they saw it all along, but everything is pretty easy to judge in retrospect.
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He certainly was already elite in 2011, he was already a Canadian Olympian at that point and was always seen as one of the best two way players in the game.
He already had two 70 point seasons at that point too, for a couple years there though he was just asked to play the tougher role and Krejci was given more of the softer offensive minutes.
At the olympics they literally had Bergeron on the ice for faceoffs and he would skate off the ice. He was definitely not viewed like that in 2010.
you should look in the mirror and worry about yourself.. you fight for scraps in Canada - I've got it made keep tap dancing for a bunch of guys son - I've got it good where it counts boy
I have no idea what this post is saying, but it's hilarious.
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you should look in the mirror and worry about yourself.. you fight for scraps in Canada - I've got it made keep tap dancing for a bunch of guys son - I've got it good where it counts boy
This reminds me of the WWII codes the British used to broadcast on radio for the French resistance to hear. I just haven’t figured out who is going to get invaded now.
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can't wait until he's traded or fades out in the ahl
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last thing we need is a cocky skinny guy on our blue line
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team gets knocked out 1st round for being too small and none of you have a problem with having a toothpick on the blue line who thinks he's better than he is. can't stand the guy.
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Perhaps the team build idea is true, but the last team standing has still always had a really strong 1-2 punch down the middle.
Blackhawks are the one team you could argue were built more from the outside in, but playing guys like Bolland or Sharp (more ideally a winger) at 2C is still better than what Calgary has had, and bolstered by having a top 3 winger of this generation on that line.
Not sure who played 2C for the '08 Red Wings, but they are the only other team without a pretty obvious 1-2 punch.
A lot of other posters have already mentioned it, but a lot of 1-2 strength down the middle is hindsight bias. ROR being the best example. Everyone thought he was a borderline #1 Centre, until he won a cup.
Once again if you pull out Pittsburgh, who had Crosby, the winners are all over the place in terms of where their strengths came from.
Boston: Krejci is hardly elite. Bergeron was developing and not elite.
Chicago: Toews and Richards. Both players were not their peak selves when Chicago won the 2014/15 championship. IMO Toews was always highly overrated, and it's become more and more obvious over time that Kane, the winger, is driving that forward group. While I would still take 2014/15 Toews/Richards over Monahan/Backlund, I just don't see how the gap is so unsurmountable that you can't bridge it by having more depth on the wing.
Kings: Yes Kopitar/Carter is a good 1/2 punch. However, the rest of the forward depth was abysmal. The true strength of this team was team play and grit. It was Sutter team. Sutter took the Flames to game 7 of the cup final with....Conroy?
Ducks: This was the Selanne/Neidermeyer show. Similar to Bergeron, Getzlaf had not developed into the player he was going to be. Their number one centre was....Andy McDonald?
Canes: Yes, Staal and Brind'Amour were great, but the real strength was depth.
I also think that as the game opens up, we are going to see teams become even more complex. More and more teams will rely on their defencemen to provide the offense, taking further emphasis away from centres.
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People with a weird focus on a single player always strikes me as odd. I dare not speak his name but there was a poster on here that posted a ton, daily, and almost entirely about James Neal.
He continued for a period of time after Neal was traded, and since then - nothing.
What's up with that?
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People with a weird focus on a single player always strikes me as odd. I dare not speak his name but there was a poster on here that posted a ton, daily, and almost entirely about James Neal.
He continued for a period of time after Neal was traded, and since then - nothing.
What's up with that?
I don’t know either, but that was a rare 100% correct stance.
People with a weird focus on a single player always strikes me as odd. I dare not speak his name but there was a poster on here that posted a ton, daily, and almost entirely about James Neal.
He continued for a period of time after Neal was traded, and since then - nothing.
What's up with that?