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View Poll Results: Thoughts on the James Neal signing?
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Love It
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Love the add, worried about the term
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Wait and see
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07-02-2018, 04:22 PM
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#461
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12
Grew up a Flames fan, and what better way to stick it to the rival team that traded you for a #4 defenseman.  |
Could you imagine? Getting him and locking him up just before Mony/Johnny extensions would be beauty! We also have the assistant coach that coached him in his Hart trophy season which is a pretty good thing to consider as well.
From a thread in 2010:
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(Note: Hall's adoration of the local side cannot continue. "I've always loved the Flames, but this year I came to realize that I wouldn't be able to be a part of their team unless they maybe trade up," he says.)
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He would be 28 years old and a UFA in 2 years time. Would you guys go all in on Taylor Hall?
Gaudreau ~ Monahan ~ Hall
Bennett ~ Jankowski ~ Lindholm
2 years from now ?
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07-02-2018, 04:23 PM
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#462
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Calgary
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Here's a picture of James Neal next to Johnny at the all star game holding one of Smith's kids.
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07-02-2018, 04:23 PM
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#463
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Great signing guys
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07-02-2018, 04:26 PM
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#464
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Torie Peterson @ToriePeterson
A little note for #Flames fans re minor penalties drawn in the 2017-18 regular season:
1st: Matthew Tkachuk (42)
Tied for 4th: Johnny Gaudreau (36)
Tied for 10th: James Neal (29)
Quite the trio for putting their team on the power play ��
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Wow this is a substantial stat when you consider how discipline Bill's teams have had. We could be a special teams power house with the forward arsenal we have and with the fact that we have a legit trio of players who can draw penalties. Special teams wins games and last year all but proved that in spades to us Flames fans ~ the moves Treliving has made have been so great to see!
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07-02-2018, 04:28 PM
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#465
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: I will never cheer for losses
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
if you need further confirmation than lavoie:
Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
James Neal’s contract with Calgary does not include a no-move or no-trade clause. #Flames
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Wow that's awesome. I like this deal even more now. Good work BT.
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07-02-2018, 04:28 PM
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#466
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Originally Posted by Heavy Jack
He would be 28 years old and a UFA in 2 years time. Would you guys go all in on Taylor Hall?
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without a doubt. I would not think twice.
what a career story this would be. Get drafted by the Oilers and lose for a few years, escape the factory of sadness through a trade and win MVP, then sign for your childhood team and win a cup. Perfect
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07-02-2018, 04:32 PM
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#467
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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2 allstars added this last week, that's pretty cool.
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07-02-2018, 04:34 PM
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#468
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The best part about this is I get to make #askneal jokes all the time.
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07-02-2018, 04:35 PM
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#469
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Torie Peterson @ToriePeterson
A little note for #Flames fans re minor penalties drawn in the 2017-18 regular season:
1st: Matthew Tkachuk (42)
Tied for 4th: Johnny Gaudreau (36)
Tied for 10th: James Neal (29)
Quite the trio for putting their team on the power play ��
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Back in the Hartley year (2015-16), Sam Bennett also drew 30 while Brodie drew 17 in 70GP.
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07-02-2018, 05:03 PM
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#470
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Vancouver, BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Torie Peterson @ToriePeterson
A little note for #Flames fans re minor penalties drawn in the 2017-18 regular season:
1st: Matthew Tkachuk (42)
Tied for 4th: Johnny Gaudreau (36)
Tied for 10th: James Neal (29)
Quite the trio for putting their team on the power play ��
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If only our PP was any good last year under GG. It will be better this year with Peters and the new coaching staff. Hopefully the loss of Dougie's accurate shot will be offset by the new additions.
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07-02-2018, 05:12 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Back in the Hartley year (2015-16), Sam Bennett also drew 30 while Brodie drew 17 in 70GP.
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Better to draw 30 than to take 30, like recent.
Man I hope Peters turns this kid around
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07-02-2018, 05:13 PM
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#472
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Saving the world one gif at a time
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Originally Posted by jg13
Here's a picture of James Neal next to Johnny at the all star game holding one of Smith's kids.
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The Real Deal Uncle James Neal
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07-02-2018, 05:23 PM
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#473
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Great pic! Big bro and little bro.
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07-02-2018, 05:36 PM
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#475
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce
Better to draw 30 than to take 30, like recent.
Man I hope Peters turns this kid around
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I'm with you.
He had 16 penaltys taken, plus a fight with Vlasic (? i don't remember this, but that's actually a good tradeoff), and 30 penalties drawn that year for a +14 penalty differential.
Last year he had 27 minor penalties taken and 21 penalties drawn, plus a fight with Josh Manson for a -6 penalty diffential.
How does a more mature, bigger, stronger player take eleven more penalties in less ice time? It's not a positional thing either, as he played more center as a rookie than he played last year.
It Peters can do his thing, the five of Bennett, Neal, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, and Brodie could have us on a constant and successful power play.
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07-02-2018, 05:42 PM
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#476
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Originally Posted by Southside
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He basically listed every contract minus Tavares !
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07-02-2018, 05:44 PM
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#477
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jason14h
He basically listed every contract minus Tavares !
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And Rieder because Oilers
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07-02-2018, 05:45 PM
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#478
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Southside
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Meanwhile he states that Milan Lucic gave "reasonable" value for one year....
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07-02-2018, 05:47 PM
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#479
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
I'm with you.
He had 16 penaltys taken, plus a fight with Vlasic (? i don't remember this, but that's actually a good tradeoff), and 30 penalties drawn that year for a +14 penalty differential.
Last year he had 27 minor penalties taken and 21 penalties drawn, plus a fight with Josh Manson for a -6 penalty diffential.
How does a more mature, bigger, stronger player take eleven more penalties in less ice time? It's not a positional thing either, as he played more center as a rookie than he played last year.
It Peters can do his thing, the five of Bennett, Neal, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, and Brodie could have us on a constant and successful power play.
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Plus Monahan...second on the team last year with PP goals (9) and points (19).
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07-02-2018, 06:16 PM
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#480
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I am a little surprised that some people (mostly fans of other teams) think this is a bad contract. Neal has been extremely consistent and reliable for several seasons.
Any time you sign a quality UFA, you are going to overpay either on AAV or term (or often both). So pick your poison, or don't participate.
The AAV to me seems very fair for a player that has been this consistent and brings more to the game than just scoring. And people talk like 30 super old. Sure, the odds of him putting up a career year at this point are unlikely, but it would not be odd to see him stay around that 40-45 point range for the whole term of the contract. Even if his production was to decrease in the last 2 years, he is still likely to be contributor if he stays healthy. He has never been a player that has relied on speed and speed is usually the first thing that catches up to players when they age. Such players often have a hard time adapting because they always relied on their speed. Neal's game is about positioning, shooting and grit. Those things are not as affected by age as speed.
Add to that, there are no clauses that prevent him from being traded, waived or demoted in the event he does drop off a cliff, and this contract is a win.
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