Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by madmike

I still think he can get a minority given the baggage the Libs have. But it’s surprising the Cons didn’t seem prepared for the current situation at all. It was no secret the tariffs might be coming. If Poilievre isn’t willing to take a strong stance against Trump then he could be in trouble.

It’s also largely an unwinnable issue for the Cons right now. Trump has galvanized the nation in one fell swoop and for the first time in a long time the liberals are governing and Trudeau looked like a leade. Not a whole lot PP can say, if he comes out against tariffs against the US he gets slayed, if he says do more it will probably not go well and he can’t say I support the PM.

The liberals are still in real trouble but national crisis tends to bring about unity. Bush’s approval rating went up 35 points in the aftermath of 911.

[Mr.Coffee]

Personally I think if PP said he was 100% supportive of Trudeau and the actions thus far taken it’d be the smartest political move. Then make a hint that the whole country needs to be united.

[edslunch]

I hadn’t seen this argument before. My impression was that Energy East was overloaded with regulations, but this article suggests (internal) competition with Keystone XL was the main driver for cancellation. Any comments from those in the know?

COMMENTARY || How Donald Trump killed the Energy East pipeline
Sagging oil prices and a revived Keystone left TransCanada Corp. with no other option but to cancel its cross-Canada pipeline.

https://www.ualberta.ca/en/folio/201...-pipeline.html

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I hadn’t seen this argument before. My impression was that Energy East was overloaded with regulations, but this article suggests (internal) competition with Keystone XL was the main driver for cancellation. Any comments from those in the know?



https://www.ualberta.ca/en/folio/201...-pipeline.html

It was never gonna be both in my opinion and Energy East was largely a stalking horse to achieve what it did, get XL approved. Energy East was not a great project.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I hadn’t seen this argument before. My impression was that Energy East was overloaded with regulations, but this article suggests (internal) competition with Keystone XL was the main driver for cancellation. Any comments from those in the know?



https://www.ualberta.ca/en/folio/201...-pipeline.html

Energy east on demand toll was going to be 16-18 whereas keystone was 10. It was always the worst of the pipeline options from an economic option.

East West shipping rarely makes economic sense over North south.

That article appears accurate

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Personally I think if PP said he was 100% supportive of Trudeau and the actions thus far taken it’d be the smartest political move. Then make a hint that the whole country needs to be united.

Wonder if Trudeau would recall Parliament if PP assured him he would not move to take down the government until the earliest after the LIBS have a new leader. At least he would be able to get back in the game.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Wonder if Trudeau would recall Parliament if PP assured him he would not move to take down the government until the earliest after the LIBS have a new leader. At least he would be able to get back in the game.

But why does parliament need to be recalled? Government still functions right now unless you need to pass new laws. The government responded this weekend s this new tarrifs with parliament not in session. Cabinet is still the cabinet, I’m not sure why they’d need to do that.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

But why does parliament need to be recalled? Government still functions right now unless you need to pass new laws. The government responded this weekend s this new tarrifs with parliament not in session. Cabinet is still the cabinet, I’m not sure why they’d need to do that.

Because people don’t know how our government works.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Because people don’t know how our government works.

Maybe it’s partially ignorance over how the government works, but I’m sure some overly self-serving conservative partisans see how this could negatively impact PP’s election chances so are desperate for anything that triggers an election as soon as possible to limit the damage (and assume bringing back parliament is the fastest way to it).

Same reason you’re seeing them lying about Carney’s comments or the totally ignorant, hilarious attempts to discount his resume. If something feels weird or reeks of desperation that doesn’t quite line up, you can bet why. They know PP is in danger.

Unfortunately I think some people are more worried about how this affects the election chances of their preferred horse than anything to do with how this affects Canada. Pretty sad.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Because people don’t know how our government works.

Ya I know how our government works thanks. I would have thought Ottawa’s response to the biggest economic crisis to hit Canada since Covid (if not ever) required debate in the House but others think there’s no role for the opposition here. Weird.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

But why does parliament need to be recalled? Government still functions right now unless you need to pass new laws. The government responded this weekend s this new tarrifs with parliament not in session. Cabinet is still the cabinet, I’m not sure why they’d need to do that.

Right - it depends if there are new laws that you think should be passed that can help. For example, targeted tax relief, or regulatory changes, or what have you. PP says repeal C69.

This was my question too, what are the laws that are being proposed and how would they help? I'm totally open to the notion that parliament being open can help, if someone can make a good case with specifics as to what they think parliament should do.

As far as the LPC avoiding an election right now, there may be a point in a month or two where it actually is beneficial to trigger that election and just get it over with, get the inevitable change in government in and see if that provides an inflection point for the idiots down there to reverse or change course. The CPC win seems like an inevitability to me anyway so the timing of that inevitability should probably be optimized. That speaks to getting the leadership race over and done with for the LPC, and frankly, a month should be plenty of time to figure out who's about to take the L as between Freeland and Carney.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

…get the inevitable change in government in and see if that provides an inflection point for the idiots down there to reverse or change course.

Nothing would change under Poilievre. Trump sees all other countries as opponents that he must defeat, regardless of who leads them. He doesn’t believe in allies, partnerships, or mutually-beneficial deals. Trump would treat a CPC led Canada exactly the same way he’s treating the country now.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I don't know that he cares who is in charge, although there seems to be a personal animosity towards Trudeau. I do think he cares if there is a change in circumstance that he can claim to be responsible for.

[DFO]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I don't know that he cares who is in charge, although there seems to be a personal animosity towards Trudeau. I do think he cares if there is a change in circumstance that he can claim to be responsible for.

Trump is still butt hurt that both his wife and daughter gave Trudeau those F me eyes.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Maybe it’s partially ignorance over how the government works, but I’m sure some overly self-serving conservative partisans see how this could negatively impact PP’s election chances so are desperate for anything that triggers an election as soon as possible to limit the damage (and assume bringing back parliament is the fastest way to it).

Same reason you’re seeing them lying about Carney’s comments or the totally ignorant, hilarious attempts to discount his resume. If something feels weird or reeks of desperation that doesn’t quite line up, you can bet why. They know PP is in danger.

Unfortunately I think some people are more worried about how this affects the election chances of their preferred horse than anything to do with how this affects Canada. Pretty sad.

Removing all the inane partisan whining you are doing and continued condescending of any opposing political views, let's assume everything the CPC do is self serving and selfish and you win on all of those points.

Do you think parliament should have been prorogued for the reason that it was in light of pending tariffs?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Removing all the inane partisan whining you are doing and continued condescending of any opposing political views, let's assume everything the CPC do is self serving and selfish and you win on all of those points.

Do you think parliament should have been prorogued for the reason that it was in light of pending tariffs?

The irony in just this sentence alone!

If you’d like to apologize and ask nicely I’ll answer your question.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The irony in just this sentence alone!

If you’d like to apologize and ask nicely I’ll answer your question

The irony in just this sentence alone!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The irony in just this sentence alone!

Yeah, it’s the second word!

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

But why does parliament need to be recalled? Government still functions right now unless you need to pass new laws. The government responded this weekend s this new tarrifs with parliament not in session. Cabinet is still the cabinet, I’m not sure why they’d need to do that.

No it isn't necessary for parliament to be recalled to retaliate on tariffs.

Parliament does however have to be recalled if we are to plan new funding to impacted businesses and people as it requires a vote on legislation.

At the moment, companies are pretty much left to fend for themselves should tariffs be active, until parliament is back. Options are limited without legislation.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sin...lief-1.7446109

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Personally I think if PP said he was 100% supportive of Trudeau and the actions thus far taken it’d be the smartest political move. Then make a hint that the whole country needs to be united.

You can admit that Trudeau has handled this situation well, and he still needs to be removed from office ASAP. I don't think those are mutually exclusive, and honestly, it would make PP look more statesmanlike if he said something along those lines.

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

But why does parliament need to be recalled? Government still functions right now unless you need to pass new laws. The government responded this weekend s this new tarrifs with parliament not in session. Cabinet is still the cabinet, I’m not sure why they’d need to do that.

Well, the entire playbook for the CPC is to get parliament back so they can have a confidence vote immediately. I have no idea why that would be a great idea at this point in time or why the Liberals would entertain the possibility.