Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by GGG

Yes, Canada needs to present a united front here on how to deal with Trump in the initial stages of the Tarrifs. Question period and toppling government would not be helpful right now.

We should just have an authoritarian government to get us all in line to fight this issue.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by GGG

Yes, Canada needs to present a united front here on how to deal with Trump in the initial stages of the Tarrifs. Question period and toppling government would not be helpful right now.

I could not disagree more. There needs to be proper debate and if the government falls on the response or other policy we have an election. That’s how responsible government works.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

We should just have an authoritarian government to get us all in line to fight this issue.

Our model is an authoritarian government where we pick a new one every 4-5 years.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by GGG

Our model is an authoritarian government where we pick a new one every 4-5 years.

And one where our government can be toppled when they lose confidence. But instead of normal government proceedings our leader has suspended government and gone into hiding to hold onto power.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm kind of on both sides of the fence here.

On the one hand Trudeau addressed it, I havent listened to all of his speech, I went cross-eyed and nearly comatose after his WW1 analogies and then picked up the Coles' notes on the rest.

On the other hand, I'm getting 'Political Brinkmanship' vibes. Lots of saber-rattling and thats about it.

Is Monday a holiday or something? Why are they implementing these on a Tuesday? Maybe a day for cooler heads to prevail?

It wouldn't surprise me that this is happening on Tuesday so that the US government can watch the markets response. If it reacts poorly they can course correct last minute.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not going to defend either side here and I dont really know much about Carney but...when it comes to finances I'm skeptical about Resumes.

13 years with a Bank that is only not bankrupt because the US Government saved it.

'Steered Canada' through a Financial Crisis that...he was working for an Investment Bank that was a fairly large cause of that crisis in the first place, maybe he had a bit of an inside track and was just playing for the other team.

Being on boards of financial and economic bodies is dubious, some are active and important and others are rubber-stampers, hard to judge which he was.

Again, I know very little about him overall, but just looking at it one could also say...."Where Mark Carney goes...there tends to be a crisis."

Maybe you should just learn something about him?

“I don’t know much about him but if you disregard or discount his experience, education, and performance any old conjecture about him could be true” is just a terrible, nonsensical take.

[Locke]

Yeah, I should do my own research! Do the research!

As opposed to just reading the dudes Resume and sucking it back.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

And one where our government can be toppled when they lose confidence. But instead of normal government proceedings our leader has suspended government and gone into hiding to hold onto power.

And one where the government can suspend parliament. It’s the right decision now like it was the right decision last time.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah, I should do my own research! Do the research!

As opposed to just reading the dudes Resume and sucking it back.

Do you think the Bank of England are a bunch of clowns who would embrace the person you seem to have in your head, for 7 years? If he was that bad, how'd he last there?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Do you think the Bank of England are a bunch of clowns who would embrace the person you seem to have in your head, for 7 years? If he was that bad, how'd he last there?

Have you seen whats been happening in England? Their PM is a revolving door, they're exiting Europe and their currency has been rapidly devaluing.

Yeah...bunch of geniuses that group.

[Locke]

A head of lettuce actually lasted longer than one of their PMs.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Locke

Have you seen whats been happening in England? Their PM is a revolving door, they're exiting Europe and their currency has been rapidly devaluing.

Yeah...bunch of geniuses that group.

Ya, and he left because of that. He was a remain-supporter, which put him at odds with the stupidity happening around Brexit. He fell on the sword becuase he knew how ####ing dumb that was. And that's what you criticize? Seems a smart man, to me.

[CliffFletcher]

Poilievre’s camp have to be panicking atm. Their populist base is strongly associated with Trumpism, and now their hero is threatening to invade Canada. The CPC need to disassociate themselves from MAGA, but many of their supporters live and breathe in the MAGA information ecosystem.

This is the kind of providential bombshell that can sharply change the course of an election.

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It wouldn't surprise me that this is happening on Tuesday so that the US government can watch the markets response. If it reacts poorly they can course correct last minute.

If he was concerned about markets, he would’ve listened to all of the economists speaking out against tariffs. There is zero chance he folds, or even tweaks, tomorrow. The goal is to destabilize, and has already warned that it will impact Americans negatively.

I expect he’ll just blame Canada and Mexico for it.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

The one thing that I could see working would be for the CPC and the Liberals with a new leader working together closely. It doesn't need an election but the rhetoric from Poilievre regarding Carney seems to have abruptly stopped and while I am sure part of that is attention being shifted to the monster south of the border, I feel as though the message wasn't resonating as well and that the principles of Carney may be more in line with those of the CPC. An election right now would be a massive distraction given the impending doom and if the CPC and Liberals could work together, it may be for the best in the immediate future.

[MegaErtz]

Even the most ardent supporter of Canadian federalism must admit that we're in a ridiculous situation and have totally been caught with our pants down. Anyone who pays any attention at all to politics knew Trudeau was cooked the day Freeland resigned. Why must we wait for the Liberals to select a new leader to have an election? The whole idea of suspending parliament goes against everything a democracy is supposed to stand for. This is likely the biggest emergency the country has faced since the 1940s, and here we are twiddling our thumbs like good Canadians while Trump eats us for lunch.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Even the most ardent supporter of Canadian federalism must admit that we're in a ridiculous situation and have totally been caught with our pants down. Anyone who pays any attention at all to politics knew Trudeau was cooked the day Freeland resigned. Why must we wait for the Liberals to select a new leader to have an election? The whole idea of suspending parliament goes against everything a democracy is supposed to stand for. This is likely the biggest emergency the country has faced since the 1940s, and here we are twiddling our thumbs like good Canadians while Trump eats us for lunch.

Because Canadians deserve to be able to know who they will be voting for? The Liberals are still the legitimately elected government, and it seems now that Trudeau is out, the Liberals are back as a potential choice.


I'm happier with the current situation than the potential of PP, someone who is bound to be somewhat beholden to Trump considering the make up of his party, and will voluntarily be beholden to Musk, because Musk supports him and will bring votes. All while they vow to destroy us. Why are you so eager for that? A lot has changed in the past 6 months, time to re-evaluate the position that only the CPC can save Canada.

[MegaErtz]

I'm a Liberal, and have always voted Liberal, NDP, or Green. No government should be able to avoid being taken down by a trick like prorogation. Harper set a dangerous precedent and now we are reaping the rewards of such a flawed system.

It is obvious that the Liberals no long have the support of the people. They're not the legitimately elected government when they no longer have the support of the House. Trump has seized on such a fatal flaw in our electoral system, designed back when election results took weeks to count and the world moved at a much slower pace.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I'm a Liberal, and have always voted Liberal, NDP, or Green. No government should be able to avoid being taken down by a trick like prorogation. Harper set a dangerous precedent and now we are reaping the rewards of such a flawed system.

It is obvious that the Liberals no long have the support of the people. They're not the legitimately elected government when they no longer have the support of the House. Trump has seized on such a fatal flaw in our electoral system, designed back when election results took weeks to count and the world moved at a much slower pace.

Trump has no clue what's going on in our electoral system or any "flaws" in it. Come on, man. Be smart here. Does Mexico have a flaw in their system being strategically and wisely exploited by Trump? It wouldn't matter what was going on in Canada, Trump would be doing the exact same thing. It's only our reaction we have control over.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

If he was concerned about markets, he would’ve listened to all of the economists speaking out against tariffs. There is zero chance he folds, or even tweaks, tomorrow. The goal is to destabilize, and has already warned that it will impact Americans negatively.

I expect he’ll just blame Canada and Mexico for it.

Experts aren't always right and sometimes you gotta test things out. That is why the scientific process involves testing and experiments and iteration.