07-31-2023, 04:44 PM
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#1961
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
I think it was Weinstein that highlighted 3 possibilities:
1. A bunch of high ranking and formerly high ranking military personnel with legit world altering responsibilities are purposely lying about the existence of aliens/ physics defying craft/ technological capabilities for who knows what reason, and have been lying/misappropriating funds for years for this reason with no oversight.
2. A bunch of high ranking and formerly high ranking military personnel with legit world altering responsibilities are gullible enough to be seriously mislead about all of the above and are easy to fool. This has allowed other people to seriously misappropriate taxpayer funds for decades with no oversight.
3. Non-human intelligence exists
All of these are stories worthy of intense scrutiny and investigation.
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Number 2 is quite possible. If this is technology with the purpose of trying to trick an adversary, it would make sense to test it on some of your own people first to see if it works as intended.
I wouldn't go as far as to call them gullible or foolish though, if the goal was to trick them. If the government or military wants to trick people, they will find a way.
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07-31-2023, 04:49 PM
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#1962
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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Originally Posted by blankall
Assuming the US military can't just go and take tech, then why haven't the companies found a way to profit from the tech yet? What kind of corporations just put a crapload of money into R&D and then don't profit off the investment.
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I would assume Lockheed Martin HAS profited from some of their developments, including the F-117 Nighthawk. The F-117 (an absolutely marvelous piece of engineering, btw) deployed in secret during the Gulf War.
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07-31-2023, 04:51 PM
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#1963
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Originally Posted by Azure
You assume that it is the US military that is in control of this tech, and not private companies who are hiding it.
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I know Lazar is regarded as a loonie by some, and his relevance currently stems from Grusch bringing up very similar claims as him about what the military supposedly has, but (if I recall correctly) he claimed that private security firms are guarding the facilities where this stuff is contained and that he believes they aren't aware of what they're protecting.
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07-31-2023, 05:07 PM
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#1964
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Originally Posted by Azure
You assume that it is the US military that is in control of this tech, and not private companies who are hiding it.
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Why would a private company sit on such technology? What is the advantage of sitting on a technology that would alter almost everything we do? The profit they are leaving on the table would be astounding, which is all the proof you need they are not sitting on such technology. Money makes the private world go round. Sitting on tech worth trillions of dollars just isn't feasible.
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07-31-2023, 05:09 PM
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#1965
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Originally Posted by blankall
If the tech isn't American, you'd assume someone would have used it to put America in their place by now.
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Maybe they have? Maybe a lot of sightings are just that?
The thing about everyone having nuclear weapons is, as unlikely as people are to use them, they’re still incredibly effective tools for causing some unrest in a population. You can pretty easily #### up the morale of a population by dangling a nuclear threat around, even if the military doesn’t see it as a credible threat (due to mutually assured destruction or other intel).
If a country had tech that was significant enough, just teasing another country with brief public “displays” that put people into a panic might be enough to have that country want to avoid having the cat out of the bag.
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07-31-2023, 05:13 PM
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#1966
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by blankall
Assuming the US military can't just go and take tech, then why haven't the companies found a way to profit from the tech yet? What kind of corporations just put a crapload of money into R&D and then don't profit off the investment.
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I'd imagine it was done through black budgets and if they disclosed their capabilities the US government would likely take ownership of it.
Power and control is a big thing.
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07-31-2023, 05:19 PM
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#1967
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
Why would a private company sit on such technology? What is the advantage of sitting on a technology that would alter almost everything we do? The profit they are leaving on the table would be astounding, which is all the proof you need they are not sitting on such technology. Money makes the private world go round. Sitting on tech worth trillions of dollars just isn't feasible.
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You assume that these companies have an altruistic take on things, which they don't.
Money does make the world go round, and while the US government continues to sink trillions in budgets that are never audited or accounted for, why would these companies change anything or disclose where the money is going?
Because if they revealed their tech, people would start asking questions.
Just what has been revealed has already caused a big uproar in terms of who has the power to do this, and who has oversight.
After 75 years of no oversight, I can easily see why these companies who hide a lot of this stuff.
Also, for sake of argument, if they have managed to develop a different propulsion system that mankind doesn't have yet in the real world, maybe they can't replicate it at scale.
There are thousands of reasons that big military industrial companies & the US military would stonewall a lot of this stuff that has nothing to do with 'aliens.'
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07-31-2023, 05:27 PM
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#1968
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Originally Posted by Muta
I would assume Lockheed Martin HAS profited from some of their developments, including the F-117 Nighthawk. The F-117 (an absolutely marvelous piece of engineering, btw) deployed in secret during the Gulf War.
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Are you suggesting the F-117 has alien tech in it? Could you provide an example, or are you just saying stuff?
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07-31-2023, 05:58 PM
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#1969
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Are you suggesting the F-117 has alien tech in it? Could you provide an example, or are you just saying stuff?
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The F-117 has alien tech in it? That's news to me! Do you have a link?
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07-31-2023, 06:08 PM
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#1970
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Muta
I would assume Lockheed Martin HAS profited from some of their developments, including the F-117 Nighthawk. The F-117 (an absolutely marvelous piece of engineering, btw) deployed in secret during the Gulf War.
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The F117 still follow a linear chain of technology development. The kinds of objects that are being reported as UFOs have the ability to dart across the entire sky almost instantly and easily outrun and out maneuver current fighter jets. If it was a private company, the practical applications would allow them to instantly dominate aviation, communication, surveillance, etc.. industries. They'd be leaving trillions on the table not monetizing that tech.
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07-31-2023, 06:14 PM
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#1971
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Location: Auckland, NZ
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Originally Posted by blankall
The F117 still follow a linear chain of technology development. The kinds of objects that are being reported as UFOs have the ability to dart across the entire sky almost instantly and easily outrun and out maneuver current fighter jets. If it was a private company, the practical applications would allow them to instantly dominate aviation, communication, surveillance, etc.. industries. They'd be leaving trillions on the table not monetizing that tech.
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Agreed. If Graves and Fravor thought the UAPs they encountered were F-117 aircraft or related known stealth technologies, they would have suggested so.
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07-31-2023, 06:27 PM
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#1972
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Originally Posted by Azure
You assume that these companies have an altruistic take on things, which they don't.
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Actually, I don't and never said as much. In fact I stated that greed is the primary driver and no company that had such advanced technology with potential to generate trillions of dollars would ever sit on it. Ever.
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Money does make the world go round, and while the US government continues to sink trillions in budgets that are never audited or accounted for, why would these companies change anything or disclose where the money is going?
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Because they would be sitting on a massive money maker for pennies on the dollar? The black budget numbers for the DoD was estimated to be $4.4B last year. Now slice that pie up between all the vendors they use. You're sitting in a zero point energy technology and a flight platform that can fly at upwards of mach 30 and leave the atmosphere at will. Airline travel would be revolutionized over night. At $100M a vehicle you can start to see how much money is being left on the table.
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Because if they revealed their tech, people would start asking questions.
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What kind of questions? Why would they be concerned about answering questions about the tech if it was something they developed? It would be ground breaking and the people involved would be revered.
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After 75 years of no oversight, I can easily see why these companies who hide a lot of this stuff.
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What would those reasons be? A private company's purpose is to generate value for the shareholder. Why would they want to hide a revolutionary tech that they developed?
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Also, for sake of argument, if they have managed to develop a different propulsion system that mankind doesn't have yet in the real world, maybe they can't replicate it at scale.
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Well, they must have managed to reproduce a number of the craft as the are popping up in a lot of places and being seen in fleets of 40 or more. They also seem to have developed some pretty big ones too, like sizes of football fields. So what would be holding them back?
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There are thousands of reasons that big military industrial companies & the US military would stonewall a lot of this stuff that has nothing to do with 'aliens.'
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Okay, if there' thousands of reasons you should be able to drop a top ten list off the top of your head. So please, fire away.
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07-31-2023, 06:34 PM
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#1973
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Originally Posted by Muta
The F-117 has alien tech in it? That's news to me! Do you have a link?
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Well you said it. See, this is why conversations in this thread fall apart. You say some wild unsupported ####, get asked for anything to back it up, and then revert to being dumb with inane followups.
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07-31-2023, 06:53 PM
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#1974
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The crazy thing about the F-117 is that it was developed in the 1970s and was flight tested in 1981. The technology is between 40-50 years old now and was already half-way to being retired by the time it was actually used. It sure makes you wonder what the absolute best technology is that they have, and just won't unveil yet. Just think of all the advancements that have been made in the last 50 years and the stuff unveiled to the public is likely jus the tip of the iceberg, they probably have stuff that we think is impossible and would blow our minds.
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07-31-2023, 07:16 PM
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#1975
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Well you said it. See, this is why conversations in this thread fall apart. You say some wild unsupported ####, get asked for anything to back it up, and then revert to being dumb with inane followups.
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Dude, he’s like… totally tongue-in-cheeking you right now. He’s like… a TOTAL wild card. You think you can reign in his wacky responses? Nah dude, cause he like totally knows your game. It’s pretty epic.
You though, Fuzz, bro… I get the sense you aren’t even trying to Be Better. What’s up, bro? Join us on the path Being Best.
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07-31-2023, 07:53 PM
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#1976
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Well you said it. See, this is why conversations in this thread fall apart. You say some wild unsupported ####, get asked for anything to back it up, and then revert to being dumb with inane followups.
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What did I say about the F-117 that was wild, unsupported ####?
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07-31-2023, 08:08 PM
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#1977
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Dude, he’s like… totally tongue-in-cheeking you right now. He’s like… a TOTAL wild card. You think you can reign in his wacky responses? Nah dude, cause he like totally knows your game. It’s pretty epic.
You though, Fuzz, bro… I get the sense you aren’t even trying to Be Better. What’s up, bro? Join us on the path Being Best.
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Oof, kinda sad how much I'm living rent free in yours and Fuzz' heads right now. Be better, sweets.
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07-31-2023, 08:34 PM
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#1978
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Originally Posted by Muta
Oof, kinda sad how much I'm living rent free in yours and Fuzz' heads right now. Be better, sweets.
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Is this the better you know you can be or are you just having another episode?
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07-31-2023, 08:35 PM
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#1979
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Is this the better you know you can be or are you just having another episode?
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Does it hurt?
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07-31-2023, 08:45 PM
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#1980
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 Posted the 6 millionth post!
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Muta was talking about the F117, then others decided to gaslight with 'alien tech' and proceed to offer nothing in the way of anything close to further discussion. Just more cringe trolling.
Anyway, Chris Mellon says there is better footage out there - I think the next thing that should be presented to the public is new visuals in addition to further testimony. Ross Coulthart - who introduced Grusch to the public on his News Nation interview - is also pushing that more whistleblowers are not far behind.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1686172264579072000
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