2017 NFL season thread

[MacDaddy77]

its not that different if a receiver dives and catches ball in end of endzone, gets 2 feet down then ball comes out when he hits the ground - incomplete pass not TD

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

throw and pass are 2 separate things. Thrown was complete to receiver however receiver lost control of the ball after the catch going to the ground.

The video Riveron uses to explain actually says Roethlisberger completes the pass. My bad on the wording.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He has to be suspended for this hit...no?

Davis has been suspended 2 games for that hit.

[mrkajz44]

The issue is the rule is trying to be a catch-all rule, but as we all know, each catch can be very different from the next, so a blanket rule doesn't really work.

The spirit of the rule is for the guys going out of bounds and making the amazing catches with two pinkie toes in bounds and then landing OB and the ball jars loose. Just because he had his fingertips around the ball for half a second doesn't mean he actual caught it if he loses the ball going to the ground.

However, this rule is applied as a blanket to all catches now. When he make the move to push the ball over the goal line for a touchdown, I think everyone can agree he caught the ball and had possession. The problem is he is subject to this blanket rule where possession must be maintained to the ground.

What's the solution? You could make the "going to ground" rule apply to catches where the player goes out of bounds only. I know that makes things more complicated, where there are different rules for different catches. However, is that not better than the alternative that we live with right now?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Hue is apparently safe no matter what so he's off the list. I would say all of the following will (or have already) see coaching changes.

Giants
Redskins
Bucs
Bears
Titans
Colts
Bengals

Some possibles include

Cardinals
Broncos
Lions
Packers
Raiders

Hue Jackson likely gets fired IMO especially if they go 0-16;

http://www.nbcsports.com/video/hue-j...ay-not-be-safe

As much as I would like to see Jack Del Rio canned he just signed a 4 year extension and I can't see Mark Davis eating all that money before the move to Vegas.

[GirlySports]

i think the NFL explanation saying 'Roethlisberger completes the pass' is just a word choice. Should have said 'throws the ball towards James'

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

The issue is the rule is trying to be a catch-all rule, but as we all know, each catch can be very different from the next, so a blanket rule doesn't really work.

The spirit of the rule is for the guys going out of bounds and making the amazing catches with two pinkie toes in bounds and then landing OB and the ball jars loose. Just because he had his fingertips around the ball for half a second doesn't mean he actual caught it if he loses the ball going to the ground.

However, this rule is applied as a blanket to all catches now. When he make the move to push the ball over the goal line for a touchdown, I think everyone can agree he caught the ball and had possession. The problem is he is subject to this blanket rule where possession must be maintained to the ground.

What's the solution? You could make the "going to ground" rule apply to catches where the player goes out of bounds only. I know that makes things more complicated, where there are different rules for different catches. However, is that not better than the alternative that we live with right now?

Maybe but then there would be more fumbles on catches that weren't really catches.

My favorite challenge in football is the one where a team challenges that their own receiver didn't catch the ball.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

i think the NFL explanation saying 'Roethlisberger completes the pass' is just a word choice. Should have said 'throws the ball towards James'

The overturned call of a touchdown was changed to "incomplete pass" which makes it sound absolutely ridiculous though. The rule is ridiculous. He has control of the ball with both feet down in bounds and reaches over the goal line.

I get it, those are the rules. I woke up angry this morning. New England doesn't need that kind of help but they've already had it twice this season.

[Cheese]

Re the catch or non catch, I wonder if it was any team other than the Pat's that benefited if anyone would care or notice?

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Re the catch or non catch, I wonder if it was any team other than the Pat's that benefited if anyone would care or notice?

Better question is, when have the Pats ever had one of these go against them?

Here's one where Cooks' catch was ruled a TD.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/26/1...own-catch-rule

Some Texans fans will point to the fact that the ball moved when it hit the ground. This does not negate a catch. Cooks clearly still controlled the ball with his hands, despite the ball shifting a little. If he had lost his grasp on the ball, this would have been incomplete. Because he maintains the ball in his possession, a little movement of the ball doesn’t negate the completion.

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

its not that different if a receiver dives and catches ball in end of endzone, gets 2 feet down then ball comes out when he hits the ground - incomplete pass not TD

?????

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Re the catch or non catch, I wonder if it was any team other than the Pat's that benefited if anyone would care or notice?

IMO it was more to do with the magnitude of the game than the Patriots benefitting. Basically the two top teams in the AFC with the winner likely getting home field advantage for the playoffs decided by that call. For the record I always cheer against the Patriots but I was calling that incomplete the first replay I saw well before the announcers noticed or the play was being announced for review. As soon as a player loses control in the act of the catch it's incomplete so I don't disagree with the call because that's they way they have been calling it for years now.

[puffnstuff]

All this had me remembering this play.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/o...ut-catch-rule/

[Machiavelli]

C'mon, Bucs

[station]

This game exemplifies the Falcons season so far. Look unstoppable at times, bungle routine plays, and let lesser teams hang around all game.

[GirlySports]

get what set?

[Svartsengi]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

get what set?

Fataing set!

[Senator Clay Davis]

Crystal clear HD audio swearing is the best kind of swearing.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Let's suppose James was standing in the endzone. Roethlisberger throws him the ball. James jumps up and secures the ball between both hands while in the air. Now further suppose that either James is pushed out of bounds by a receiver, or comes down with one foot out of the back of the endzone on his own, or before he gets the second foot down in the endzone he drops the ball, or a defender rips the ball out before he gets to the ground. All four of these would result in an incomplete pass, and no TD. This is despite James having possession of the ball and the ball breaking the plane.

You need to have possession of the ball and make a catch in order for you to be able to break the plane. By not completing the catch he hasn't made a catch. You can't break the plane if you haven't made a catch. When the ball is being thrown threw the air, no one has possession of it. The reason that it's different for a runner, is possession is continuous from when the QB hands it off to the runner, or if someone picks up the fumble. Possession hasn't been established on a throw. Of course there are different standards for different types of plays.

The rule was enforced properly. You can debate whether the rule is good or not, but there should be no debate on if it was enforced correctly. The ball moved and the runner didn't make a catch. Whether that's in the middle of the field or the endzone, it's still not a catch. Here's a pretty clear view of him not completing the catch: https://twitter.com/michaelFhurley/s...93913336016901. The ball moves and hits the ground. That's not a catch in the NFL. He did not have complete control of the football. Here's the former VP of officiating, Blandino, whom I am no fan of, explaining it: https://twitter.com/DeanBlandino/sta...51139127500800

Not once have i stated anything differently.

Go back to my original post, and dispute what I stated. You can't.

All i have stated, repeatedly, is that had that been a runner, it would be considered a TD. Indisputable.

As soon as the ball crosses the plane, it should be a TD..regardless of how that ball was acquired, Its a double standard, period.

[Senator Clay Davis]

So the Bucs improved their draft pick, teased Cowboy fans and then ultimately hurt the Cowboys playoff chances? This has to be one of my favorite losses ever.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He has to be suspended for this hit...no?

And its 2 games....which will become 1.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...en-bay-packers