Uber to Resume in Calgary December 6 2016

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You're not reforming them or giving them a chance at a new life, you're strictly hiring them and rewarding them for past behavior.

This is equivalent to hing thugs to work for the city to me.

"Gentlemen lets find the worst scum out there and give them public money"

There is going to have to be an inquiry into this thing and "I don't know the methods" is not going to pass muster. In this case because he was basically bragging about it, the buck stops right at the mayors desk.

If they used these peoples information without permission, that's a big problem on a couple of levels as I stated before, and its a problem not only for the mayor but the police department because they basically and in the simplest form by using them to apply for jobs without their knowledge committed fraud.

If they hired criminals because they are violent criminals or sex offenders that's a big problem.

How would you propose evaluating between the uber background check and a police background check to determine which should be used in future transportation policy.

I agree if this was done without consent of the parties or using confidential resources that's a problem but until there is any evidence of that its just noise and fear mongering.

Are you against former counterfeiters being hired to catch current ones?
How about hiring former black hat hackers to test for vulnerabilities in security systems
Or former bank robbers to check for bank security

[Wiggum_PI]

Coun. Ward Sutherland, also on the city police commission, says "an investigation is warranted."

What did the councillor feel like when he saw the Nenshi video?

"I was baffled why he would even have this conversation with a stranger."

How much do baffled Calgarians need to know?

"Now that he's made the statement publicly we should all know. The public should know. End of story."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/04/23...the-smell-test

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Pretty sure I saw on the news that he's already admitted he made that up and didn't explain himself well.

I never took that part seriously. I'm sure he got a tweet from a girl who knows a guy who's cousin heard that story. For purpose of impressing an uber driver in Boston it was close enough.

[getbak]

If Erick Estrada is going to keep using Nenshi as his avatar, I request he change it to this...

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GGG

How would you propose evaluating between the uber background check and a police background check to determine which should be used in future transportation policy.

I agree if this was done without consent of the parties or using confidential resources that's a problem but until there is any evidence of that its just noise and fear mongering.

Are you against former counterfeiters being hired to catch current ones?
How about hiring former black hat hackers to test for vulnerabilities in security systems
Or former bank robbers to check for bank security

They have a specific skill set that's valuable and can lead to them helping the victims that they harmed directly or indirectly.

Far different to me.

As far as Nenshi's backtracking and didn't explain it well, then he should be more then willing to open things to an investigation to clarify things.


Because he sounded like a guy that was pretty confident in the methods that were used.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

They have a specific skill set that's valuable and can lead to them helping the victims that they harmed directly or indirectly.

Far different to me.

How does that differ at all? Former criminals like hackers, counterfeiters, bank robbers aiding authorities don't help their victims in any way.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Because he sounded like a guy that was pretty confident in the methods that were used.

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"...I don’t want to know, and people with convictions for violent crimes, I don’t want to know why we know those people,” he continued. “I just don’t want to know, nobody will even tell me and I don’t want to know, but they all made it through Uber’s theoretical background screening."

The man exudes confidence.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Wormius

How does that differ at all? Former criminals like hackers, counterfeiters, bank robbers aiding authorities don't help their victims in any way.

Look if we need child molesters and murderers and violent criminals then we'll see want ads placed.

Its completely different to me, we're not going to agree, but to me its completely gross and inappropriate if they were hired for this and the city needs to come clean on how they were used. Did the city hire and pay them hired? Or did we steal their identities to fill in job applications.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

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The man exudes confidence.

But he clearly knew they were used.

[Fuzz]

Did he say the city payed them? Wondering if these were people who worked for Uber(and passed their background check), and when the city shut them down with lawsuits, ran background checks on them and discovered this? Just a thought, haven't watched the video.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

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The man exudes confidence.

Your post is funny to me because what you've quoted of Nenshi shows, that as the Mayor of Calgary who certainly knows hiring, for example, criminals/sex offenders to become Uber members to drive Calgarians around, causes him ethical problems. Him saying he doesn't want to know has nothing to do with his confidence or lack thereof. Its called willful blindness and his ability to deny he was actually aware of any wrongdoing. Its a rare or perhaps unique example where Nenshi appears to be suggesting he crosses ethical boundaries. Despite my occasional distaste for what he does, he appears to be quite honest in his dealings. This incident though challenges his appearance of being a straight dealing politician.

Now on the other hand, I'm watching the actual 27 minute video right now, and despite some of his stupid (actually, very stupid comments -- I'm sure tomorrow during the Council meeting he's going to disavow them) he actually sets out some very reasonable information about why Calgary has been opposing Uber, things which I have not read in the news. I especially like how he explains that the Uber request to pay per ride amounts to the City financing Uber to hire inspectors only getting paid at the end of a year, where the fee that has been implemented by the City could be offloaded to the drivers so that Uber is financing the fee themselves, not using the City to do so. I agree entirely with his comment in that regard.

He also discusses American politics and I tend to agree with much of what he says, but these are comments of a Mayor of a major Canadian city which should never be public, and Nenshi himself should know better despite not knowing he was being broadcast.

Still, his comments during this seemingly private lyft ride amount to his biggest political misstep to date in his career as Mayor. Stupid, stupid. He trusted a stranger and said things offensive to a large number of Calgarians.

[PepsiFree]

Offensive to a large number of Calgarians? What's your definition of "large number" and what exactly did he say that hits that mark?

If you think this is a political misstep, I think you're attempting to blow this up into something significantly larger than it is. Mountain/mole hill type scale.

It's your prerogative to do it. I'm just calling it what it is.

[Kjesse]

Pepsi,

I won't pretend to have poll numbers but social media has been alight, council members have called for an ethics investigation, and Nenshi himself has issued a public apology-- how rare is that?

If you think that the Mayor of Calgary can suggest that he was aware city staff was actively recruiting people with criminal records including sex offenders to become approved by Uber and then drive for them, and then suggests that he knew it was happening but then also states that he intentionally did not want to know details, and that is not a problem -- as in -- standard operating procedure in his position -- well, I won't type what I think, [And, edit out].

[PepsiFree]

If you need to get personal to drive your point home, it's not a very strong point.

[And, you can edit that one out, but it doesn't change the 3 or 4 times you've already done it in this thread. Never a great way have a conversation.]

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If you need to get personal to drive your point home, it's not a very strong point.

Delgar hasn't made one point or one opinion known, just don't even bother with someone who wants you to guess his points.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

So apparently Nenshi isn't actually aware of anyone convicted of a sexual offense or violent crime who passed an Uber background check. This despite the fact he claimed the city themselves hired these people in an effort to test Uber's background checks.

He really needs to self moderate, it's only a matter of time before he's hauled to court again and we wind up with more legal bills.

Anybody with $200 and a crayon can sue someone...

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Then he has to come clean, did he use city funds to hire criminals to do this, and what kind of criminals?

And if he used the police data base to mine people and use them without the consent of these criminals to have other people fill in the apps, then it's equivalent to identity threat at worst, and a mis use of the police database at best.

He has to come clean, he can't say I don't know and then have the city clamp up on this to protect him.

Maybe he had good intentions, but the methods have to be looked at here.

If some criminal somewhere found out that his name and record was used to apply for these uber positions without his or her permission, I would expect that they could sue the city for use of their identity without their permission.

Also you could almost think that the city was participating in fraud.

Nenshi outright has to come clean as do the city managers and personal that were involved in this program.

Seriously? what is wrong with his methods? Last time i checked, hiring people who were ex-cons isn't illegal...

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You're not reforming them or giving them a chance at a new life, you're strictly hiring them and rewarding them for past behavior.

This is equivalent to hing thugs to work for the city to me.

"Gentlemen lets find the worst scum out there and give them public money"

There is going to have to be an inquiry into this thing and "I don't know the methods" is not going to pass muster. In this case because he was basically bragging about it, the buck stops right at the mayors desk.

If they used these peoples information without permission, that's a big problem on a couple of levels as I stated before, and its a problem not only for the mayor but the police department because they basically and in the simplest form by using them to apply for jobs without their knowledge committed fraud.

If they hired criminals because they are violent criminals or sex offenders that's a big problem.

It's not even close to fraud.

There will be no inquiry. Political ####storm? sure. Legal? nope.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Pepsi,

I won't pretend to have poll numbers but social media has been alight, council members have called for an ethics investigation, and Nenshi himself has issued a public apology-- how rare is that?

If you think that the Mayor of Calgary can suggest that he was aware city staff was actively recruiting people with criminal records including sex offenders to become approved by Uber and then drive for them, and then suggests that he knew it was happening but then also states that he intentionally did not want to know details, and that is not a problem -- as in -- standard operating procedure in his position -- well, I won't type what I think, [And, edit out].

Sooooo... his plan was to get sex offenders on staff for a company that he was instrumental in kicking out of town?

This all looks bad for him, I agree, but I think you might be overstating the whole "criminals driving cars" angle here. He didn't want them operating here -- and they don't -- so you can't really say he wanted to arrange for sex offenders to work for them.

All things aside, if the city did test the background check process for Uber drivers, then that's only a good thing. Unless someone can explain to me how it's a bad thing to find out the process doesn't work.

[Kjesse]

RougeUnderoos,

This is a recent news report about what Nenshi said, and you can hear it in the video:

"The mayor tells the driver the city sent people to sign up to be Uber drivers to see if they could get through Uber's background check.

"How we found registered sex offenders, I don't want to know. And people with convictions for violent crimes? I don't know why we know those people.

"I just don't want to know. Nobody will tell me and I don't want to know but they all made it through Uber's theoretical background screening."

So did the City send the names of registered sex offenders and convicted violent criminals to be screened through the Uber system?"

I am astonished that, reasonable posters, such as Slava for example, don't see a problem with this. My conclusion is he wasn't paying attention. Some others are now jumping on me but that does not concern me.

What's going on? Did the CPS (Calgary Police Service) use CPIC (Canadian Police Information Centre) to find these people at the request of a city department, then contact them to get them apply to Uber, all while telling the mayor just enough that he thinks he shouldn't say, "don't do that?".