2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

Rather not make a deal w/Toronto.. but we could use them to drive up value.

That's Tre's speciality.

[bdubbs]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I suspect whatever the next move it is will take most by surprise. Rasta said NJ was hot and heavy for Tanev right? Wonder what kind of package can work there

Also helps that rasta was spot on with his previous insider info, so I am hitting F5 every so often with hopes that something comes together with NJ.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I had an inkling that it would be the first thing people mention. You can't just point to age. I specifically pointed to Hanifin we got from CAR as the player we'd be getting back. That Hanifin had 3 full seasons(and still had a lot of rough spots in his game). This is Liljegren's 3rd full NHL season, he just made the show later than Hanifin, so he is on a similar trajectory.

Hanifin in his first 3 years in CAR:
239GP 18G, 83P, -53

Liljegren in his time in TOR(he had 2 cups of coffee, and then made the roster full time):
171GP 13G, 51P, +37

Trading for a soon to be 25 year old dman who cannot really stick on a team with at best mediocre defencemen does not instill much confidence in me. Most dmen who make an impact in the league have done something of note by their D+7 year.

By that time Brodie had played 2 full NHL seasons and had a 41 point and a 31 point campaign.

By that time Rasmus had played 4 full NHL seasons and put up a 50 point campaign.

I would not hold out much hope for Liljegren. The package that was proposed was basically Knies, him and a 1st plus a cap dump in a UFA who holds negative value for a Vezina calibre goalie this year and a dman that is expected to fetch a 1st on their own and is one of the most sought out assets on the market. If Markstrom is only worth Liljgren, a cap dump with negative value and Knies I think I would rather keep Markstrom.

[shutout]

I did ask Lamoriello whether it made more sense to avoid the rentals (pending unrestricted free agents) and focus on players with contracts past this season.

https://theathletic.com/5254692/2024...-tanev-lebrun/

Reading Lebrun talk about the NYI looking at players with more term made me think that Mangiapane might be a perfect fit for them.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by shutout

https://theathletic.com/5254692/2024...-tanev-lebrun/

Reading Lebrun talk about the NYI looking at players with more term made me think that Mangiapane might be a perfect fit for them.

Mangiapane needs a change of scenery. Waiting for him to break out. Don't think it happens.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by shutout

https://theathletic.com/5254692/2024...-tanev-lebrun/

Reading Lebrun talk about the NYI looking at players with more term made me think that Mangiapane might be a perfect fit for them.

I'm not sure how to make the money work, but they haven't really given Samuel Bolduc a role that allows him to shine. That and the 2025 first for Mangiapane 50% retained would be a good trade.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Mangiapane needs a change of scenery. Waiting for him to break out. Don't think it happens.

He's already taking advantage of his retirement contract.

[Enoch Root]

My first thought, when considering a Mangiapane trade, is that I don't want to sell low.

But then I look a the roster, and not only is LW our strongest position, but Mangiapane is holding the 'free square' on the bingo card, as he is on the Backlund-Coleman line.

If you can get a decent return for Mangiapane, he is completely replaceable in our lineup. Remove Mangiapane and insert Pelletier on the Backlund line, and would anyone notice a difference?

So whatever you get for him, including any possible cap savings (though I would expect similar cap would have to come back) would be a win

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

My first thought, when considering a Mangiapane trade, is that I don't want to sell low.

But then I look a the roster, and not only is LW our strongest position, but Mangiapane is holding the 'free square' on the bingo card, as he is on the Backlund-Coleman line.

If you can get a decent return for Mangiapane, he is completely replaceable in our lineup. Remove Mangiapane and insert Pelletier on the Backlund line, and would anyone notice a difference?

So whatever you get for him, including any possible cap savings (though I would expect similar cap would have to come back) would be a win

Weren't there some rumors earlier this season that the Islanders were shopping Romanov...not sure that would be the case now as Roy seems to like him.

Something around Romanov for Mangiapane as a starting point could be interesting for both sides.

[dammage79]

Anything the Flames get for Mangiapane in a trade is pure gravy. They got insane value out of a 6th round pick. Games played, points production and a good story.

It's time for him to move on though. I've that way since last season.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

My first thought, when considering a Mangiapane trade, is that I don't want to sell low.

But then I look a the roster, and not only is LW our strongest position, but Mangiapane is holding the 'free square' on the bingo card, as he is on the Backlund-Coleman line.

If you can get a decent return for Mangiapane, he is completely replaceable in our lineup. Remove Mangiapane and insert Pelletier on the Backlund line, and would anyone notice a difference?

So whatever you get for him, including any possible cap savings (though I would expect similar cap would have to come back) would be a win

The problem with not wanting to sell low is that nobody here ever wants to sell high either.

It’s why we end up 16th every year and will never get better unless strategy changes.

Trade Tanev, Hanifin, and Markstrom.

[Redrum]

Wait until next season to trade Bread when you can cut his last year's salary in half, and hopefully he can get a few goals. Really no advantage to trading him now unless you somehow have a good offer.

[bluejays]

Mangiapane hasn’t done much recently. Had upside and just fell back to reality. I’d rather Conroy spend time discussing trades with guys who would bring back value. Mangiapane wouldn’t, so whether dealt this year, off season or next season, I don’t care. As he won’t get much for him. Rather his limited time being spent with the pending FAs and Markstrom and guys who can bring back something substantial.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

My first thought, when considering a Mangiapane trade, is that I don't want to sell low.

But then I look a the roster, and not only is LW our strongest position, but Mangiapane is holding the 'free square' on the bingo card, as he is on the Backlund-Coleman line.

If you can get a decent return for Mangiapane, he is completely replaceable in our lineup. Remove Mangiapane and insert Pelletier on the Backlund line, and would anyone notice a difference?

So whatever you get for him, including any possible cap savings (though I would expect similar cap would have to come back) would be a win

If the Flames do end up moving both Tanev and Hanifin, flipping Mangiapane for a defenseman with a similar contract makes a ton of sense.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The problem with not wanting to sell low is that nobody here ever wants to sell high either.

It’s why we end up 16th every year and will never get better unless strategy changes.

Trade Tanev, Hanifin, and Markstrom.

Not wanting to sell low isn't the reason that the Flames 'end up 16th every year'

[Kipper_3434]

Selling Mangiapane this season is a sell low move with no reason. If he requests a trade sure, otherwise move him next year when he can fetch the rental premium. Flames aren't up against the cap....sell when the time is right.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The problem with not wanting to sell low is that nobody here ever wants to sell high either.

It doesn't matter what people here (meaning CP) want to do. We don't run the team. As for the people who do, what do you call the Toffoli trade if not selling high?

It’s why we end up 16th every year and will never get better unless strategy changes.

This is flat-out ridiculous. In the last five years, the Flames won their division twice. Those were not 16th-place finishes. This year, it will take a minor miracle for the Flames to finish as high as 16th.

The idea that the strategy hasn't changed is equally ridiculous. Conroy hasn't handed out a single long-term contract, and so far he has traded three players who were looking for one.

[Dan403]

This year's expiring contracts are well known: Hanafin, Tanev, Lindholm.

But who are NEXT YEAR'S expiring contracts?

[BrownDrake]

Originally Posted by Dan403

This year's expiring contracts are well known: Hanafin, Tanev, Lindholm.

But who are NEXT YEAR'S expiring contracts?

I'll go

Kuzmenko
Mangiapane
Sharangovich
Vladar

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Dan403

This year's expiring contracts are well known: Hanafin, Tanev, Lindholm.

But who are NEXT YEAR'S expiring contracts?

Yegor, Kuzmenko, Mangiapane, Duehr, Vlader.