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Old 10-03-2009, 02:36 PM   #1941
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I am so happy he is gone. Now he can go work for ESPN where I never have to hear him.

Yay! Hopefully they don't hire a new GM before they get a new president though.
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Old 10-04-2009, 02:37 PM   #1942
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This thread deserves me posting in both of the threads.

Maybe I can start watching the Jays again with hope they'll have a chance to compete in the upcoming years.
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Old 10-04-2009, 02:44 PM   #1943
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This thread deserves me posting in both of the threads.

Maybe I can start watching the Jays again with hope they'll have a chance to compete in the upcoming years.
If the Jays compete for the next two years things will not improve. They need to tank for two years (and go over slot on every draft pick for gods sake).
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Old 10-04-2009, 03:40 PM   #1944
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If the Jays compete for the next two years things will not improve. They need to tank for two years (and go over slot on every draft pick for gods sake).
I don't believe it at all. Baseball is very much different from hockey and basketball when it comes to drafting. Certainly the top picks are good almost every year, but more often than not certain top prospects are avoided because of possible negotiating problems with their agents down the road (generally Scott Boras players). With the Jays bound to spend less in the upcoming years, tanking to get those very high picks won't help them since they probably won't want to pay the huge pricetag for an unproven commodity. Picking 15th overall is just as good as picking 7th almost every year. More than anything the Jays need to actually develop their own prospects and definitely beef up their scouting staff. JP's drafting was up and down like every other GM, so nothing much to blame him there, but his trades very often didn't work out and his FA signings almost never did. I really hope they build from pitching out and like others said, focus on small ball - speed and smarts. I believe the ship has said with Halladay and the best way to rebuild is to trade the best pitcher in baseball. As long as they get sure prospects, they'll be heading in the right direction.
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Old 10-04-2009, 05:52 PM   #1945
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Maybe I can start watching the Jays again with hope they'll have a chance to compete in the upcoming years.
I'm heading the opposite direction. I watched a few games at the start of the year until they did the usual down the toilet moves. Now whiny players, management out the door, coaching staff next. Replaced by what?

They remind me of the Stamps/Flames in the bad old days. Time to put them on ignore.
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Old 10-05-2009, 12:24 AM   #1946
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I don't believe it at all. Baseball is very much different from hockey and basketball when it comes to drafting. Certainly the top picks are good almost every year, but more often than not certain top prospects are avoided because of possible negotiating problems with their agents down the road (generally Scott Boras players). With the Jays bound to spend less in the upcoming years, tanking to get those very high picks won't help them since they probably won't want to pay the huge pricetag for an unproven commodity. Picking 15th overall is just as good as picking 7th almost every year. More than anything the Jays need to actually develop their own prospects and definitely beef up their scouting staff. JP's drafting was up and down like every other GM, so nothing much to blame him there, but his trades very often didn't work out and his FA signings almost never did. I really hope they build from pitching out and like others said, focus on small ball - speed and smarts. I believe the ship has said with Halladay and the best way to rebuild is to trade the best pitcher in baseball. As long as they get sure prospects, they'll be heading in the right direction.
Very few teams choose to draft these players (NY, BOS, CHI, STL, LA). You still have to compete with 20-25 other teams. 7 spots is at the very least ahead of 2 more teams (and more likely 7, since those 5 don't tend to finish below .500). If you draft selectively, and pay the few highly rated Boras type kids you do draft, you can build a good team. Tampa did much the same thing. If they finished n the middle of the league for those 5 years they might have lacked the talent that pushed them over the top last year.

Trading Halladay is important I agree.

I also agree that more money needs to be put into the scouting department (probably more important in baseball than any other sport). It also reduces the problem you presented of draft picks being "unproven commodities".

Lastly, Small ball does not work in the AL east, no matter how much anybody wants it to. The rays probably play the closest to small ball in that division, and they still score a lot of runs and have a high team slugging percentage. The AL east demands a high OPS, high SLG, and power pitching. Defense is a luxury, and so is speed.

This team needs develop a Florida Marlins style plan. Amplify the cycles.

Edit: (Via MLBTR/ Klaw Twitter)
1 WAS 2 PIT 3 BAL 4 KCR 5 CLE 6 ARI 7 NYM 8 HOU 9 TOR 10 SDP 11 OAK 12 CIN 13 CWS 14 MIL 14A TEX 15 CUB

That is 5 teams between 9 and 16 that are small market teams. It's not like the Blue Jays are that low in payroll.
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Old 10-05-2009, 12:48 PM   #1947
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Hill wins Comeback Player of the Year (for AL, NL = Carpenter)
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Old 10-05-2009, 08:23 PM   #1948
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Hill wins Comeback Player of the Year (for AL, NL = Carpenter)
Both very much deserved.
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Old 10-12-2009, 04:42 PM   #1949
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Jays add Dana Brown to front office.

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Old 10-12-2009, 05:43 PM   #1950
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Brown comes from a prestigious MLB pedigree that includes the Montreal Expos, Pittsburgh Pirates and Washington Nationals.
Sounds like a real winner.
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Sounds like a real winner.
If I recall the Expo's developed a crap load of talented players... if they only had a budget.
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Old 10-12-2009, 10:05 PM   #1952
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If I recall the Expo's developed a crap load of talented players... if they only had a budget.
Depends how far back you go on that. After Vladimir Guerrero that well of good yound players dried up on them as they lost a lot of their better scouts to other teams.
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Depends how far back you go on that. After Vladimir Guerrero that well of good yound players dried up on them as they lost a lot of their better scouts to other teams.
Here is a few more...

Larry Walker
Pedro Martinez
Moses Alou
Randy Johnson (drafted and traded as a prospect)
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Here is a few more...

Larry Walker
Pedro Martinez
Moses Alou
Randy Johnson (drafted and traded as a prospect)
Well point is that those guys were all before Guerrero. Since they go Vlad to the majors the number of home grown stars from the Expos went down pretty significantly. The guys they gave up in the Bartolo Colon trade (Sizemore, Cliff Lee, Brendan Harris are about the last good prospects I remember).

They also didn't draft Pedro Martinez, they got him in a deal for Delino DeShields after he'd played a season with the Dodgers. I also think Moises Alou came in a deal from the Pirates for Zane Smith in 1990 or so.

Realistically after Dave Dombrowski the Expos management was nothing great.
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the jays are about as likely to win the world series as the leafs are to win 40 games this season
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Old 10-13-2009, 04:21 PM   #1956
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the jays are about as likely to win the world series as the leafs are to win 40 games this season
Actually, since the NHL season is in its infancy and the Jays have already been eliminated, the odds are not nearly as close as you suggest.
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Did JP leave the Jays better than he inherited them?

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