John Frickin Gaudreau!

[Street Pharmacist]

There is no compelling hockey argument for staying in school and I don't think anyone has been arguing otherwise. It's the safety and personal growth reasons that some fear may sway him.

If he stays, the only reasons could be:

-size gained to avoid injury, but that's pretty suspect
-wanting to play for another team. What team can offer the same chance of making the team??? Why go to a place where you have little chance to crack the roster
-personal growth, senior year, yada yada. I don't see Johnny carrying about that based on degree, etc

There simply isn't a compelling reason not to sign. I'm not worried at all

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

BC will always be solid, that's not the point.

Gaudreau was on the best line in the NCAA by quite a bit. He played with 2 seniors who were not only drafted, but both look to have a real shot at the NHL. They were both physically dominant as well.

It is fun being on top of the mountain.

If he goes back, his line-mates will be nowhere near what he had this year - regardless of how good the team is.

He will be in a position where he is constantly compared to the season before. And it is simply not possible to do much better than this year was. You only get so much ice-time and the line is only going to be so good, regardless of how dominant JG is.

My point is this: there is no way that the situation can be better for him, hockey-wise, than it was this year. No way. And it would almost certainly be worse.

That is a situation ripe for regression, or at least no growth.

Sure there are other factors like finishing his degree and playing with his brother, but with respect to hockey, it would be a HUGE mistake to go back.

Maybe his offensive numbers do regress, but if the team is more solid defensively he may round out that portion of his game and become a more complete player too. It is not nearly as dire as you make it out to be if he returns.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by DT77

A few days old now, so I apologize if it's been posted. Opinion piece re: Gaudreau being a unanimous choice for the Hobey Baker:

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/new...d_thoughts.php



Video at the end of his third goal of a hat-trick vs. Denver.

Good article.

[saXon]

nm.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Not disagreeing with you about Johnny's situation, but BC plays so many freshman right now (They are the youngest division 1 team in the NCAA) including Demko (The youngest player on the team) that I have little doubt they will be nearly as good as this team is. They'll be different, but they will be good. No doubt they will be a top 5 team next year.

This year, BC has been the highest-scoring team in the NCAA. They have scored 160 goals. At least one of Arnold, Hayes, or Gaudreau has had a point on 108 of them (67.5%). There's a good chance BC's offence could decrease quite a bit next year.

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

How much negotiating needs to happen here?

Burke: Here's the rookie Max with all possible performance bonuses.

Gaudreau: *signs*

Maximum bonus contracts are generally limited to the elite draft picks, so if he can get one, he's actually doing better than most.

Markus Granlund and Tyler Wotherspoon, who were both drafted two rounds before Gaudreau, don't have any bonuses on their contracts. Neither do Poirier, Klimchuk, or Sieloff. Kanzig doesn't even get the full ELC maximum base salary.

Looking at CapGeek, it appears that Corban Knight is the only player under contract to the Flames with a full maximum ELC contract with all available Schedule A and B bonuses. Monahan doesn't have any B bonuses, and Baertschi doesn't even have maximum Schedule A bonuses.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by fotze

I thought rookie contracts were written in stone in regards to bonuses and the round they were chosen. Is this not the case?

No. The maximums are set, but a player doesn't necessarily get the maximum. The Bonuses are also negotiable to maximum levels.

Look at the Flames salaries with bonuses included: http://capgeek.com/flames?exclude_bo...2F&team=flames

Monahan gets the maximum base salary and has maximum Schedule A bonus potential, but no Schedule B. Baertschi has the maximum base, but less than maximum bonus.

Poirier, Klimchuk, Wotherspoon, Sieloff, Billins, and Jooris all have the same NHL base salaries but were drafted everywhere from late in the first round, to not at all.

[sureLoss]

^Just to add performance bonuses for ELCs are difficult to achieve anyways, you have to be a pretty good prospect to achieve them while your ELC is active

For example:
as a forward to get all the Schedule A bonuses the cba allows (whose aggregate can be a maximum of $850k)

you would have to do at least 4 of the following (all compared to a min 42 games played):
1. be in the club's top 6 among forwards in ice time (aggregate or per game)
2. score 20 goals
3. put up 35 assists
4. put up 60 points
5. greater than 0.773 pts/game
6. get selected to play or play in the all star game
7. club's top 3 forward in +/-

schedule B bonuses can be up to $2 million dollars and are for finishing top 5 in voting for league awards like the hart, calder, norris, lady byng etc or being top 10 in the NHL with points, assists, goals, PPG, etc.

Cap geek has an excellent summary of how ELCS work if you want to read more
http://capgeek.com/faq/how-do-entry-...contracts-work

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Maybe his offensive numbers do regress, but if the team is more solid defensively he may round out that portion of his game and become a more complete player too. It is not nearly as dire as you make it out to be if he returns.

Dire? You got dire from my post?

Also, he is already dominant defensively in the NCAA - he really has nothing else to learn there

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by fotze

So you would think it would be nothing to hand those out in a contract since no one will do it and if they do you are laughing? Going over the cap would be the only concern.

Whats the penalty for going over the cap?

You can't. The bonuses go towards the next year's cap

[Parallex]

Ruh-roh...

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/04/03...nue-to-chip-in

Now it’s Johnny Gaudreau’s dad with words that must be unsettling to the Flames organization. Guy Gaudreau, whose son was chosen in the fourth round in the 2011 NHL Draft and has starred at Boston College, told the Camden Courier-Post: “If the management they had there before was there, like (former GM Jay) Feaster, the ones that drafted him, I’d be really comfortable letting him go. I know that (president of hockey operations) Brian Burke likes big boys, big hockey players. My son is not a big hockey player. He’s made it clear that he likes him or whatever, but I don’t think he’s sold on him. That’s been John all his life, wherever he tried out. It’s always been, ‘He’s got to prove himself, prove himself, prove himself.’ He’s done that over and over and over.”

... First Mom and it sounds a bit like Dad too? Starting to get a bit nervous.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Ruh-roh...

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/04/03...nue-to-chip-in


... First Mom and it sounds a bit like Dad too? Starting to get a bit nervous.

You're a little late

[SuperMatt18]

How many times are we going to post the same article/quotes in this thread?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Mitch

You're a little late

My bad. Sorry all.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by fotze

There are 3 different Johnny threads going on in different forums.

Which one was that one in? I looked in this one to see if it was here and didn't see it.

nm: found it.

[Anduril]

The fact that the coach has to sit you near the end of games so that you're not completely blowing out other teams out of the water has to say something.

[Gaskal]

In this case, on HF someone speculated that Johnny was worth a 2nd at best and might be a career AHL'er and got jumped pretty quick.

I like how intelligent the Flames fanbase is, it means that bull#### posts like that gets called out often and quickly.

[canflip_101]

Hopefully the kid makes the jump next year to the big club.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

In this case, on HF someone speculated that Johnny was worth a 2nd at best and might be a career AHL'er and got jumped pretty quick.

I like how intelligent the Flames fanbase is, it means that bull#### posts like that gets called out often and quickly.

I love Gaudreau, but the guy may not he wrong. He still has a ton to overcome to become an NHL regular.

His trade value is more difficult to pin down so it would depend on the situation

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by saXon

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/03/29...stay-in-school

Eric Francis with an opinion most Flames fans don't want to hear.

Nothing would make Francis happier than Gaudreau to do that and then leave and sign with another team. Over the years I have become convinced that guy hates the Flames with the passion of a thousand suns and is probably a huge closet Canucks fan. He feasts off Flames failures and bad news.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nothing would make Francis happier than Gaudreau to do that and then leave and sign with another team. Over the years I have become convinced that guy hates the Flames with the passion of a thousand suns and is probably a huge closet Canucks fan. He feasts off Flames failures and bad news.

Have you not realized that people really don't talk much about the articles that are optimistic and supportive of the Flames?

He's really just a salesman trying to get clicks and people to buy copies of the Sun. There's a reason he's not winning any journalism awards.