Brad Treliving needs to go

[Cobra]

Thank God Darryl was brought in by the owners to evaluate the players and make player decisions in the future.
Let Assistant GM Brad deal with the paper shuffling and interviews about the process.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Says the guy who actually lists Rasmus Anderson as proof that Treliving has filled out the right hand side of the roster. Rasmus Anderson who is 6th on the Flames in shorthanded time on ice per game by dmen and 52nd out of 207 dmen in points per game as an offensive defenceman. Brad grabbed him for the steal of 4.55 million a year. Having the ability to put a body on the ice does not mean that body is any good or would be a contributor on an elite team.

Brad has built a bad forward group, a mediocre backend and an average tandem between the pipes. He has done this while having one of the poorer prospect pools in the league.

Rasmus has had a bad season after showing strong development for years
He will be fine and over the long term the contract I believe will be more than fair.
Bad seasons happen.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Rasmus has had a bad season after showing strong development for years
He will be fine and over the long term the contract I believe will be more than fair.
Bad seasons happen.

This is his best offensive season yet. He has never been a guy who the coach trusts to play on the PK, always more of an offensive guy. He is only 25 though so he could develop more. Could peak aa a 35-40 point a year offensive dman.

[FlamesAddiction]

Andersson has been really good at points, but inconsistent like pretty much every player on the team.

I'm not worried about him. I still think he is part of the solution going forward. He's actually one of the few players I would be more apprehensive to trade.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Darryl Sutter said the blueprint is here.
Now unless Darryls just playing nice then he actually said these words.

I think Darryl is impeccable with his word. He has my faith and trust 100% .

I think it's time the players are held accountable and it's about F ing time.
How long have we heard from how many coaches , analysts , armchair GMs , the media that something is sorely missing on this team.?

Just finished watching the last dance ....one thing MJ wouldn't stand for was losing and what that man did 6 times in 8 years was wow....not to mention that Phil Jackson was a phenomenal coach and he had the best players 100% loyalty.

We all saw what Darryl did in 04 with Jarome and several others .

I'm still to this day disappointed that 2005 didn't get played. We would have been back in the final.....I know it.

That team learned what it would take and Darryl knew what he could get from our roster.

I hope we can just get back to normal at this point because COVID is seriously harming every living being on this planet and I feel kinda selfish moaning and bitching about my team not even contending .

Has accountability been the biggest problem with this core the past 7 years though? I don’t doubt that Darryl wants to win here, but finding/building the right group of players is the more difficult task to accomplish. I mean Darryl believes in building up the middle, but signing or trading for a legit #1 center in this league is almost impossible, you have to draft these guys.

Hating to lose is a nice trait to have. But Tkachuk hates to lose maybe more then anyone on the team and he’s struggled mightily this season. I remember Mike Smith hating to lose here, but that didn’t stop him from giving up muffins. Jonathan Toews hates to lose maybe more then anyone in the league and his team has been outside of the playoff picture for years. I don’t know if hating to lose without the ability helps much, you have to have the skills/abilities first and foremost. That’s what Michael Jordan had, he had the greatest skill set in the basketball world to to with the will.

Lastly, I don’t know how that 04-05 Flames team would’ve fared. But Jordan Leopold was interviewed not too long ago on Calgary radio and he mentioned that he might have skipped the entire season due to injury. He mentioned that it took him over a year to recover from that 2004 Cup run. So the Flames might have had one of their top pairing defensemen that season. Just goes to show what kind of grind the Stanley Cup playoffs can be. Just an absolute war.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Thank God Darryl was brought in by the owners to evaluate the players and make player decisions in the future.
Let Assistant GM Brad deal with the paper shuffling and interviews about the process.

I wouldn’t give Darryl the keys back to the GM office ever. Have people forgotten already what type of team Darryl built here a decade ago? It was mediocre-ville. They couldn’t draft. They relied on free agency and the cupboards were in worse shape than today. This organization cannot continue the cycle of mediocrity, it’s insanity.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Says the guy who actually lists Rasmus Anderson as proof that Treliving has filled out the right hand side of the roster. Rasmus Anderson who is 6th on the Flames in shorthanded time on ice per game by dmen and 52nd out of 207 dmen in points per game as an offensive defenceman. Brad grabbed him for the steal of 4.55 million a year. Having the ability to put a body on the ice does not mean that body is any good or would be a contributor on an elite team.

Brad has built a bad forward group, a mediocre backend and an average tandem between the pipes. He has done this while having one of the poorer prospect pools in the league.

To my recollection the Flames were picked by most to make the playoffs. It’s been a bad year, the team has underachieved, I don’t think many would argue that.

Is that the GM’s fault? In large part, I would say no. Who has performed well on ice? Tanev, Hanifin, & maybe Mangiapane? Other than that, it’s been a mix of okay to poor. Is the GM responsible for these 20-ish players not performing to their capabilities? All of them? Really?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

A trade that did not happen because the NHL league office ####ed it up. Both Brad and Fenton were upset st the time that it did not go through and pieces of the deal have been reported in the media. My point is that if the teams had filled out the paperwork right or the league accepted it, Brad's learning curve was trading his 3rd first round pick in 5 years away and getting Jason Zucker in return.

You somehow managed to completely miss the point. I would expect your rehearsal in a pattern of continued, present behaviour to include some present behaviour.

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[Strange Brew]

Rasmus is definitely struggling with Gio and I agree, we haven’t seen his best yet. But he is a different concern than other players. His contract was a bet on his continued improvement, and he has yet to play up to that level. So this just can’t be a bad season, we need him to be better than he has ever been.

I definitely think he can be all that, but don’t know how you can watch this team over the last two years and not appreciate that young players don’t always keep improving.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Rasmus is definitely struggling with Gio and I agree, we haven’t seen his best yet. But he is a different concern than other players. His contract was a bet on his continued improvement, and he has yet to play up to that level. So this just can’t be a bad season, we need him to be better than he has ever been.

I definitely think he can be all that, but don’t know how you can watch this team over the last two years and not appreciate that young players don’t always keep improving.

Unfortunately it’s a dynamic with almost all rfa deals now
You are paying for potential as much as past performance

[GioforPM]

$4.5M by the end of this contract will look like a huge bargain.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by TOfan

To my recollection the Flames were picked by most to make the playoffs. It’s been a bad year, the team has underachieved, I don’t think many would argue that.

Is that the GM’s fault? In large part, I would say no. Who has performed well on ice? Tanev, Hanifin, & maybe Mangiapane? Other than that, it’s been a mix of okay to poor. Is the GM responsible for these 20-ish players not performing to their capabilities? All of them? Really?

What is this team's true potential though? Maybe this is what they actually are, just a bubble playoff team that struggles to score. I mean, since their fluke run in 14-15, this team has lost their last 3 first round series in convincing fashion and they've missed the playoffs other 3 times (including this season). Like at some point we just have to look at the evidence. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck and this team is definitely what they are.

They're not the 18-19 team that everyone wants to believe they are, they're probably not as bad as this season would suggest, but they're really not that much better. They've peaked at mediocre, just like the previous era and most likely the next one too unless something drastically changes.

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Terrible free agent signings; Frolik, Ryan, Tanev, Markstrom

Terrible bargain bin coaching hires; see current coach

Starting Goaltender; see current goaltender

Forget about the right side of the roster; Anderson, Tanev, Lindholm

These criticisms your trotting out are lame. Half of them no longer apply, and the others are made in a vacuum of evidence. Weak.

Yes, terrible free agent signings. Raymond, Brower, Neal, Hiller, Elliott, Simon, Leivo, Ritchie, and Markstrom etc.

Not sold on the current coach; see current record and "was retired from coaching hockey".

Starting goaltender; is Markstrom crushing that 6 mill contract out of the park?

Yes, the right side is a complete joke. How can you argue that?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

What is this team's true potential though? Maybe this is what they actually are, just a bubble playoff team that struggles to score. I mean, since their fluke run in 14-15, this team has lost their last 3 first round series in convincing fashion and they've missed the playoffs other 3 times (including this season). Like at some point we just have to look at the evidence. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck and this team is definitely what they are.

They're not the 18-19 team that everyone wants to believe they are, they're probably not as bad as this season would suggest, but they're really not that much better. They've peaked at mediocre, just like the previous era and most likely the next one too unless something drastically changes.

This teams true potential? More than what we have seen this year. Regardless, I think there is going to be 2, or more, significant changes to this roster this offseason. I think there’s good reason to believe this team is capable of bouncing back.

It’s easy to say ‘blow it up’ or ‘fire Treliving’ right now, those are low rent takes.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Yes, terrible free agent signings. Raymond, Brower, Neal, Hiller, Elliott, Simon, Leivo, Ritchie, and Markstrom etc.

Not sold on the current coach; see current record and "was retired from coaching hockey".

Starting goaltender; is Markstrom crushing that 6 mill contract out of the park?

Yes, the right side is a complete joke. How can you argue that?

Hillier helped them get to the playoffs, and was only a 2 year deal. Elliot was acquired through trade. Simon Lievo and Ritchie are 1 year league min contracts (who cares, happens every year on all or most teams). Raymond, that was 7 years ago, just let it go man, it’s okay to move on. Brouwer and Neal were bad signings, but if you think other teams/GM’s aren’t making bad UFA signings, you’re not paying attention. If you also think Treliving’s successor is going to bat 1.00 on UFA signings especially in a market like Calgary, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

Markstrom, a mistake? You willing to stick with that take?

You complain about Treliving not being able to find RW talent, what do you think he was trying to do with Brouwer and Neal? What about Czarnik? Where else were they going to get this top line RW and at what cost?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Unfortunately it’s a dynamic with almost all rfa deals now
You are paying for potential as much as past performance

For sure. It’s the reason why Flames were able to acquire Hamilton, Hanifin and Lindholm.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Hanifin or Rasmus get moved this summer, for no other reason they will appeal to some teams. It’s why Hanifin has been in so many potential deals.

No one wants to trade those guys which is exactly why they may be coveted.

The other dynamic with the Rasmus deal is no one expected a prolonged flat cap when he signed it.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

To my recollection the Flames were picked by most to make the playoffs. It’s been a bad year, the team has underachieved, I don’t think many would argue that.

Is that the GM’s fault? In large part, I would say no. Who has performed well on ice? Tanev, Hanifin, & maybe Mangiapane? Other than that, it’s been a mix of okay to poor. Is the GM responsible for these 20-ish players not performing to their capabilities? All of them? Really?

I think most people thought they would be in a battle with Montreal, Vancouver and Winnipeg for the final two playoff spots. Not sure anyone thought they would be a slam dunk for the playoffs. They were a bubble team, maybe expected to be better than Montreal but definitely in that 3-5 grouping. Montreal surprised. But the Flames were never expected to compete with the Leafs or the Oilers.

[CroCop]

Honestly should be fired immediately.
Not one player other than #19 worth more than a bag of pucks currently. How’s that for asset management? Another disaster free agent signing in Markstrom. Spend to the cap but appear to be a lottery team. No elite prospects in the cupboard. I would say he has run this team to the ground with dark time ahead for the next number of seasons.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Not one player other than #19 worth more than a bag of pucks currently.

Hanifin prob worth more considering term and price.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I think most people thought they would be in a battle with Montreal, Vancouver and Winnipeg for the final two playoff spots. Not sure anyone thought they would be a slam dunk for the playoffs. They were a bubble team, maybe expected to be better than Montreal but definitely in that 3-5 grouping. Montreal surprised. But the Flames were never expected to compete with the Leafs or the Oilers.

Sure. Again, is it the GM’s fault the players have underperformed? Who has had a good year, let alone a great year?