Treliving needs to start feeling the heat

[Brick]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I tjonk the idea there is that Tkachuk is a playmaker and the intent is the play Neal with Tkachuk. So far it hasnt worked though.

How about a playmaker that can skate? Lindholm might be a fit with Tkachuk and Neal.

Backlund shouldn't be in the top six. He is a great checker and should be centering the 3rd line.

[jg13]

LOL really? We're 2nd in the division with a 10-7-1 record and this thread required a bump?

Ban the trolls.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by jg13

LOL really? We're 2nd in the division with a 10-7-1 record and this thread required a bump?

Ban the trolls.

Ban the trolls, meaning, you?

James Neal
18 Games 3 Goals (2 were flukes) 1 Assist -4 5.75M 5 Year Deal

Derek Ryan
17 Games 1 Goal 2 Assists -1 3M 3 Year Deal


Those are your two big UFA signings of this off season. If that doesn't call for scrutiny of Treliving what does? Not to mention Brouwer was bought out so we could sign Neal, which effectively adds another 1.5M onto his cap hit, so 7.25M total for Neal.

Treliving was basically given every tool available by ownership to make the Flames a cup contender, and after nearly a quarter through the season it's been a failure. I said this when everyone was riding high a week ago and I'll say it again, Flames will NEVER win a cup with this roster. If they do, I will eat my hat.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Dion Phagoof

Ban the trolls, meaning, you?

James Neal
18 Games 3 Goals (2 were flukes) 1 Assist -4 5.75M 5 Year Deal

Derek Ryan
17 Games 1 Goal 2 Assists -1 3M 3 Year Deal


Those are you two big UFA signings of this off season. If that doesn't call for scrutiny of Treliving what does? Not to mention Brouwer was bought out so we could sign Neal, which effectively adds another 1.5M onto his cap hit, so 7.25M total for Neal.

Treliving was basically given lay of the land of this team by ownership to make them a cup contender, and after nearly a quarter through the season it's been a failure. I said this when everyone was riding high a week ago and I'll say it again, Flames will NEVER win a cup with this roster. If they do, I will eat my hat.

I think anyone on this board for the past 5 years can verify I am not a troll.

I'm not willing to call 3 and 5 year contracts terrible based on the first 20 games of a season. Do we also give Treliving praise for having Rittich, a top 5 goalie in the league at the steal of a deal he's currently on? Absolutely not. New coach, new organization and system. Took Hamonic ages let's give everyone else time as well. I'd give a more detailed reply but your post is garbage and not worth anyone's time

[LWcrowfoot]

Treliving isn't about criticism, his failure to find a long term number one goalie and poor UFA signings stick out like a sore thumb. It is however trolling to just go "bump" after a couple close losses, especially when they're still in a good position.

Bought out Brouwer so they could sign Neal? You can critique the GM without making things up. Brouwer was bought out a month after Neal signed.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by jg13

I think anyone on this board for the past 5 years can verify I am not a troll.

I'm not willing to call 3 and 5 year contracts terrible based on the first 20 games of a season. Do we also give Treliving praise for having Rittich, a top 5 goalie in the league at the steal of a deal he's currently on? Absolutely not. New coach, new organization and system. Took Hamonic ages let's give everyone else time as well. I'd give a more detailed reply but your post is garbage and not worth anyone's time

Calling my post garbage just because you don't like the objective facts isn't a good strategy.

I like Rittich and I think he will be a starter, but calling him a Top 5 goalie in the league right now is a huge stretch. Yes, his numbers have been good so far, but he's the backup goaltender. His numbers were excellent last season as well until Smith got injured, and when given the starter opportunity Rittich showed he couldn't take the reins.

It took Hamonic "ages" because he was paired with Brodie, which was a total disaster. We've seen now Brodie cannot play on the left side and the deficiencies in his game are covered by Gio. (Not saying Brodie is bad, far from it)

The team would be in a lot better situation right now cap wise if the Brouwer buyout along with the Neal and Ryan signings didn't happen. They'd be basically the same team. Also, let's not forget who made the Brouwer signing in the first place.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by LWcrowfoot

Treliving isn't about criticism, his failure to find a long term number one goalie and poor UFA signings stick out like a sore thumb. It is however trolling to just go "bump" after a couple close losses, especially when they're still in a good position.

Bought out Brouwer so they could sign Neal? You can critique the GM without making things up. Brouwer was bought out a month after Neal signed.

... If you want to say the Brouwer buyout happened to sign Hanifin, go ahead I guess, but that's not really being realistic. We all know Neal was brought in to replace Brouwer.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Dion Phagoof

Calling my post garbage just because you don't like the objective facts isn't a good strategy.

I like Rittich and I think he will be a starter, but calling him a Top 5 goalie in the league right now is a huge stretch.

Numbers don't lie. Just like the #s you provided for Neal and Ryan

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by jg13

Numbers don't lie. Just like the #s you provided for Neal and Ryan

Your comparing a backup goaltender to a forward, the numbers don't mean the same thing. Straw man fallacy.

Also, the fact that he found Rittich does not take away the albatross that the Brouwer signing and buyout, along with the Neal and Ryan deals are looking like they are turning into.

There is so much homer-ism on this forum it makes me chuckle. I laugh every time I go and read the "Vancouver and Edmonton are no good" threads.
It's just a bunch of upset Flames fans projecting how disheartened they are with their own team on other rivals. (Not taking away the fact that those two franchises are equally, actually probably worse then the Flames.)

But still, let's not kid ourselves. The Flames are a franchise of mediocrity and let downs. If the 04 run never happened, who knows where this team would be. Tre has had the reins for 5 years now and he's failed flat out and this season isn't looking any better. The only improvement is of our core pieces that were already in place improving as players.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Dion Phagoof

Calling my post garbage just because you don't like the objective facts isn't a good strategy.

You're confusing your personal opinions with "objective facts".

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by the2bears

You're confusing your personal opinions with "objective facts".

I'm not.

My personal opinion is there is about a 1% chance this roster wins the cup. If Tkachuk didn't look like he was turning into an elite player, I would of said 0%.

The numbers I stated and moves Treliving made are the objective facts.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by Dion Phagoof

There is so much homer-ism on this forum it makes me chuckle. I laugh every time I go and read the "Vancouver and Edmonton are no good" threads.
It's just a bunch of upset Flames fans projecting how disheartened they are with their own team on other rivals. (Not taking away the fact that those two franchises are equally, actually probably worse then the Flames.)

Well at least we know the actual reason for bumping this thread and your terrible posts in general.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by LWcrowfoot

Well at least we know the actual reason for bumping this thread and your terrible posts in general.

No, I actually bumped this thread because our 7.25M trigger man just got benched in the third period of a 1 goal game and played 8 minutes total because he looks like a disinterested snail on the ice.

But sure, think what you like.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Dion Phagoof

No, I actually bumped this thread because our 7.25M trigger man just got benched in the third period of 1 goal game and played 8 minutes total because he looks like a disinterested snail on the ice.

But sure, think what you like.

Your number is wrong. It's 5.75m a year. But yeah,, carry on with whatever it is you're doing.

[N-E-B]

James Neal has always been slow and has never been a guy to “drive a line”. Some of you guys have ridiculous and completely inaccurate views of this player. He was brought in to score goals, provide and edge, and leadership. He’s on pace for 14. Is that good enough? No, and he was benched.

But I think some people expected some kind of superstar player and that’s not what Neal is, he never was, and never will be. Jankowski said he’s had a positive impact in the room earlier. It’s way too early and completely reactionary to write him off as the next Brouwer. He had a pretty good stretch before this last game. The goals will come.

Also, don’t forget that Brouwer really struggled here. Had we had Peters last year I have no doubt he would have spent most nights in the press box.

[JohnnyB]

I have been pretty critical of Treliving, but I feel better about where the Flames are at right now than I have in years. They've started to have some character again and Peters is looking better than I feared he would be. This is the first time in a long time that I feel pretty happy with Treliving's overall team composition.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Dion Phagoof

Ban the trolls, meaning, you?

James Neal
18 Games 3 Goals (2 were flukes) 1 Assist -4 5.75M 5 Year Deal

Derek Ryan
17 Games 1 Goal 2 Assists -1 3M 3 Year Deal


Those are your two big UFA signings of this off season. If that doesn't call for scrutiny of Treliving what does? Not to mention Brouwer was bought out so we could sign Neal, which effectively adds another 1.5M onto his cap hit, so 7.25M total for Neal.

Treliving was basically given every tool available by ownership to make the Flames a cup contender, and after nearly a quarter through the season it's been a failure. I said this when everyone was riding high a week ago and I'll say it again, Flames will NEVER win a cup with this roster. If they do, I will eat my hat.

Dude , you literally have been here barely a month . Watch who you stwrt calling trolls and the like. Your posts are getting tiresome already. Watch where you step man or you may just end up being the next ricardow or Moon.

Edit.

To illustrate that your posts are becoming drivel and completely un bearable here are somefacts to show what you say consistently are out to lunch.

Flames sit 2nd in the division.

Flames sit 4th in the conference

Flames sit 9th in the league only 5 points out of the1st place slot..

Check nhl.com for the standings . If on team above lose just a game or two and the Flames win 1 or two it changes the narrative. This is the best flames team in nearly a decade.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Dion Phagoof

No, I actually bumped this thread because our 7.25M trigger man just got benched in the third period of a 1 goal game and played 8 minutes total because he looks like a disinterested snail on the ice.

This is a complete misrepresentation that you're spinning to fit you not liking Neal. You can't claim that a player's cap hit includes the buyout penalty from another player. That's ridiculous. Players' cap hits aren't like car loans where you stupidly roll the rest owed on a car into your loan for your next new car.

[SmoggyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Dion Phagoof

No, I actually bumped this thread because our 7.25M trigger man just got benched in the third period of a 1 goal game and played 8 minutes total because he looks like a disinterested snail on the ice.

But sure, think what you like.

Sometimes players need to be benched to be held accountable and light a fire under their arse. It worked well for Gaudreau in 2014-2015 and even Frolik this year as a couple of recent examples. It's not about the salary, it's about sending the message that the player needs to get going. I am personally not worried about Neal. He will get going. If he was in the second year of his contract already, I would start to get worried. He is only 20 games in and caught lightning in a bottle with Vegas last year.

[Huntingwhale]

Which old poster is that Phagoof guy?