I feel like a pick or a RW prospect would be better. Flames have enough defensive depth as is. RW is weakest depth wise. And other than a legit top 6 lw. The Flames are pretty stocked.
Why would the Habs do that? Hiller is way too expensive to sit on the bench with the amount of games Price is going to play
Ramo could work too. They have contracts up at the end of the year and if the Canadiens want to really push for it, a guy like hiller/ramo would be better than condon/tokarski.
Ramo could work too. They have contracts up at the end of the year and if the Canadiens want to really push for it, a guy like hiller/ramo would be better than condon/tokarski.
The Canadiens have roughly 3.6m in cap. Ramo comes in 200k higher than that. The Canadiens would have to add cap to make the fit or pay a premium in picks/prospects for the Flames to eat some of that cap. At least thats how I would do it.
Besides. I don't think Ramo or Hiller would enjoy being Prices back up. They'd be lucky to get 10 starts.
Anthony Florentino could be a decent pickup if the Flames are trading with the Sabres.
He's a teammate of Jankowski, Gillies, and Gilmour at Providence. Along with Janko and Gillies, he was on the Frozen Four All-Tournament team last year.
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I mentioned it last page, I'd really like to see us take a run at Nick Baptiste from the Sabres. We'd need to add to Hiller or Ramo for sure, but maybe with some of our excess youth we could swap a prospect and get it done.
Strong right handed RW, good shot, goal scorer can play physical.
This is exactly the type of player our prospect pool is missing.
As bad as it is to say, this is great news for the Flames. If BT had an talks with any other GM's who showed interest in one of the goalies, either the price went up or the time frame for the deal moved up.
I'd love to get a either a decent prospect or a young player or something in a deal but in all honesty, dealing a goalie not named Ortio would be addition by subtraction (not because either of them are bad but because it would clear cap space providing less of a cap hit was coming back, clear a roster spot depending on the return, eliminate the dreaded three headed monster and it would just let the team focus on playing). If they got something of value in the return it would be great but if they were able to deal away one of their "other" contracts with it, it would be.....not possible lol.
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I mentioned it last page, I'd really like to see us take a run at Nick Baptiste from the Sabres. We'd need to add to Hiller or Ramo for sure, but maybe with some of our excess youth we could swap a prospect and get it done.
Strong right handed RW, good shot, goal scorer can play physical.
This is exactly the type of player our prospect pool is missing.
The entire league knows the situation the Flames are in so I don't see Treliving with a lot of bargaining power. They know fully that eventually one of these guys is going through waivers so I wouldn't expect a great return if the Sabres were interested in Ramo or Hiller.
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I think Brad didn't have much bargaining power but I think he does now. Buffalo wasn't tanking this year, at least not intentionally and they look like they want to actually play hockey and try to win. They're going to want the best goalie possible as a replacement, the Flames have the best available goalie. There's no way they'd go after a guy like scriveznia and I doubt they'd want Tokarski as their starter because they'd just promote from within if that were the case. If they want a starter, they're coming to the Flames. I agree I don't think the return would be amazing but Brad is a wizard.
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I think Treliving has to be willing to move all 3 goalies and take the best return he can get. Obviously Prtio would cost significantly more than Hiller or Ramo. At the end of the day I am looking forward to him clearing the log jam. Sabres need D as well maybe he can get Smid or Engellend in the deal?
I think Treliving has to be willing to move all 3 goalies and take the best return he can get. Obviously Prtio would cost significantly more than Hiller or Ramo. At the end of the day I am looking forward to him clearing the log jam. Sabres need D as well maybe he can get Smid or Engellend in the deal?
I'd waive Hiller for nothing before giving Ortio away.
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The entire league knows the situation the Flames are in so I don't see Treliving with a lot of bargaining power. They know fully that eventually one of these guys is going through waivers so I wouldn't expect a great return if the Sabres were interested in Ramo or Hiller.
Yeah, I see something like a 3rd or 4th round pick with maybe some performance based future considerations attached to bring it up to a 2nd rounder if we are lucky.
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If we're banking on Ortio to be our #1 next year, I think we're in trouble.
Goalies are incredibly difficult to predict, but with what he has shown so far - I have no reason to believe Ortio will be a good #1 goalie in this league.
Joni Ortio
GP: 15
GAA: 2.52
Save %: .899
Nowhere near enough data to draw upon, but not exactly a stellar case for overt optimism.
I like Joni, but I've never projected him to be a #1 goalie, and I always thought there would be a new #1 goalie after this Hiller/Ramo tandem rides off into the sunset after this season.
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My point is if the option is waiving Hullernor Ramo hoping someone picks them up vs getting quality assets for Ortio it is something the Flames need to highly consider. This is not a high draft pick that is 21 we are worried about losing. Ortio has a lot of potential but far from a sure thing. He certainly is not worth losing for nothing and therefore should not be going on waivers but if a team will part with a good draft pick to land him (2nd rounder) then I would not be totally opposed.
The Flames will have other goalie options next summer they could pursue. We can't just assume Ortio will be number 1 next year. I hope he is but this is all about asset management and talent evaluation. I am confident Treliving will do the right thing
The entire league knows the situation the Flames are in so I don't see Treliving with a lot of bargaining power. They know fully that eventually one of these guys is going through waivers so I wouldn't expect a great return if the Sabres were interested in Ramo or Hiller.
Less bargaining power than he would if he wasn't in a position of needing to deal, sure. But there are 29 other teams that they have to worry about if they WANT the goalie. Albeit, only 3-5 that are actually worth worrying about, but you still consider all 29. Their position on waivers will come into play heavily, along with the need for a goalie NOW vs when Treliving is willing to make a move.
It would be a lot stronger if he held all the cards, but he still has a lot of power in this situation.
Unless you are getting a major return for Ortio, like a 1st + or something equivalent in terms of prospects, you are better off dealing one of the vets for a less than stellar return.
Just like when the Flames dealt Berra, there was no incentive to deal him. Pay up or buzz off. The Avs really wanted him so they paid up. If a team wants Ortio then prepare to pay a ton. They would have to make it worth while to walk away from Ortio's potential.
The other two guys won't get near the same return, and that's okay.
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