01-07-2026, 11:24 AM
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#19361
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Most definitely. I’d be super stoked, I just always look at teams pushing for cups and think…would they subtract that? Bourque I could see, Bischel is tougher to pull away. If Bischel ends up as part of it, I think it speaks to how hot of a commodity Andersson is.
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I can see the Stars stringing Bichsel along while he is on his ELC but long term there is no room for him unless the Stars are happy running 4 LD in their top 4.
Considering the feedback at the end of the last playoffs was that their RD situation was hurting their chances to win, I doubt Nill would be happy with the entire group staying left shot.
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01-07-2026, 11:34 AM
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#19362
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Which is kind of nice. Imagine if we’d received Holtz instead of Bahl? Yikes.
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Indeed, just tempering expectations if we deal with, say, Dallas and its not any of the guys we expect.
Also there still time to get Holtz from Vegas, Ras wants to be there
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01-07-2026, 11:34 AM
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#19363
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolven
I can see the Stars stringing Bichsel along while he is on his ELC but long term there is no room for him unless the Stars are happy running 4 LD in their top 4.
Considering the feedback at the end of the last playoffs was that their RD situation was hurting their chances to win, I doubt Nill would be happy with the entire group staying left shot.
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I forget how well set they are on LHD, and that Dallas is rumoured to be a spot Raz would sign.
Bischel + ‘27 1st would be such good work by Connie.
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01-07-2026, 11:35 AM
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#19364
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Just started my coffee break, it'd be nice if the Flames made a trade in the next 10 minutes.
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01-07-2026, 11:37 AM
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#19365
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The C-spot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverKast
I think the Flames/Conroy have picked a direction and have an idea of what they want to do. What's rustling everyone's Jimmies is the fact that they haven't come out and shared it with us. And they have been very tight lipped and not really leaked much to anyone outside the organization.
It leaves us to speculate and complain like we have been in this thread all year because we haven't been provided a clear statement from the team. Instead we're left to deduce what's going on based on actions over the last season or two - if you look at that is seems pretty clear.
I actually like what we've been doing. No big free agent mistakes on July 1, keeping our picks instead of trading them away, and then solid drafting with those picks. Not letting guys walk for nothing, and making some solid adds will pay off in the long run. I'd love a top 3 pick as much as anyone, but you can't just burn it to the ground and expect players to continue to compete. You need guys like Kadri to set the example otherwise we end up like the clowns up north during their decade of darkness.
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It might rustle your jimmies but it generally does not make sense to broadcast your negotiation strategy to the people you're negotiating with.
It's nice that fans want to know we're rebuilding, but Conroy coming out and saying "fire sale! get your pending UFAs here!" just lowers their price.
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01-07-2026, 11:47 AM
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#19366
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Originally Posted by Five-hole
It's nice that fans want to know we're rebuilding, but Conroy coming out and saying "fire sale! get your pending UFAs here!" just lowers their price.
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Does it?
There's one Rasmus Andersson avail. Teams are bidding against each other as much (or more) as 'meeting' Conroy's asking price.
As long as there's at least 2 teams interested I don't see how saying anything either way lower's the price.
It's not like Dallas and LV are going to collude and both offer lower prices just to "screw" Calgary.
Same with Coleman and Kadri. When dealing with the top asset(s) in a trade and multiple interested teams I don't believe you need to bluff or play coy as the league itself will create the bidding war.
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01-07-2026, 11:49 AM
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#19367
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Franchise Player
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More Sharks smoke:
https://twitter.com/user/status/2008954284684267742
I would be ecstatic if we could get one of Misa, Dickinson, or Chernyshov. Musty would be a good get as well as a part of a package, but I see him more like a Sharangovich, in terms of high skill with a lack of consistency and compete.
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01-07-2026, 11:50 AM
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#19368
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Last year was a 'hiccup' in the plans with the team exceeding expectations, otherwise it is flowing just like the Sharks' rebuild.
The "Will Smith Year" (4th overall) is similar to the Parekh year (9th).
Celebrini year = this year, I think.
Misa year = next year.
LOTS of vets in the Will Smith year, even for the entire season, includijng Karlsson. Lots of vets in the Celebrini year as well, though some did get traded towards the deadline (as I expect Andersson and possibly some more to be).
Last year was just the weird year. Team was purposefully built to sink, but the players decided to swim instead. They really got buoyed by an easy schedule, however. I think that got their energy up and maintained throughout the season. This year, with the tough schedule, it has been the opposite, and this team is sinking.
I will also argue that the Flames did pick a direction - to finish at the bottom of the standings in the last 2 seasons. - Toffoli wanted an extension, Calgary said no, and then he demanded a trade apparently, though in that tough cap market, he was the likely candidate to be traded out that off-season.
- Lindholm stated that he was wiling to resign, and that his camp didn't hear back from the Flames since November. Sounds like Conroy was the one that decided it, right?
- Zadorov wanted to stay, but when his camp got a cold reception, he suddenly asked to leave in a very public way. Seems like to me that he was going to get traded either way.
- Seems like the Mangiapane situation was about both the team and player wanting a change.
- Tanev waned to stay, but after everyone left, he wanted to leave too. Conroy wasn't all over re-signing him until after Hanifin left, and it sounded like it was only going to be a very short-term deal.
- Hanifin was the outlier, and for a team entering a rebuild, one could hardly argue that given his age, that it made sense to extend him. Conroy didn't go over what he felt he was worth, however.
- Backlund got re-signed and it made sense.
Conroy brought in a handful of UFA signings to flip (Mantha and Barrie). It was an obvious flip move. Following season, zero UFAs brought in.
Calgary was close to the playoffs last season. Did Conroy go out and 'reward the team'? Nope. Treliving - the man who loved to spend picks on players at the deadline - wouldn't have spent any picks rewarding the team, as the team was in a rebuild. Treliving didn't reward the team in 2015 - he even sold. Nobody was expiring, and as much as I would have liked to have seen Andersson go last deadline, he is certainly going by this one.
I just have a hard time seeing the Flames being in a situation that is something other than in a full-blown rebuild. If Kadri and Coleman go, then the Flames will be right in the thick of a "Burn it to the ground" scenario, which is where Conroy stated on a number of occasions that this team would not be headed towards. If the offers are good enough, one - or both - will probably get moved. If they are not, it does not signal that the Flames aren't rebuilding.
The one difference that went against the grain of a rebuild was trading Pelletier + 2nd for Frost and Farabee. Pelletier was a 'wash' in that trade given everyone's respective ages, so the only contradictory piece of information we have ever had since Conroy took over as GM that this team was not in a rebuild was that 2nd moving out in that trade. That is, unless you want to argue the 5th for Okhotyiuk as well (which seemed more like Conroy trying to buy-low on a good prospect).
Flames under Feaster made more 'win now' moves during the rebuild.
I just have a difficult time understanding how people look at the team, look at the moves that were made, and don't see 'rebuild'.
Look at the standings. Flames are 3rd last. Every other team that was looking like it was going to be a bad year for them is ahead of the Flames, and have been for most of the year. Vancouver has suddenly imploded, and although they have put up a "for sale" sign, they are showing no signs of actually rebuilding, and I doubt that they will. Winnipeg imploded. Sure, they were without Hellebuyck for a long stretch, but THIS BAD? That's crazy, and not a single person on this board would have picked them to be last in the league right now.
I am not sure that Calgary finishes dead last this season, but I bet both Vancouver and Winnipeg end up higher in the standings. Another team or two may drop and challenge Calgary for last overall, but I am more worried about a bad lottery outcome at this point than the Flames not finishing dead last. When Andersson gets dealt, this team will sag. If there are actually good offers on the table for either Kadri or Coleman, they will move. Ditto for anyone else who is older than a certain age, other than Backlund (unless he has a change of heart that is, but doubtful - he will retire a Flame, as he should).
I think it is likely that when the season ends, the Flames are picking between two of Mckenna, Verhoeff, Stenberg and Lawrence (or X, depending on if anyone else pushes up). I will give it one team for finishing lower than Calgary, and one team winning the lottery, pushing Calgary to 3rd choice. As of right now, Calgary is the #1 favourite for finishing last this season, and I don't think it will be that close down the stretch. Losing Andersson for futures is going to hurt, plus they have the toughest schedule in the entire league remaining.
This is a bona fide "first overall picking" type of rebuild year. It was by choice, it is happening, and we should all just relax and accept it, and instead argue about who should or shouldn't be picked with the Flames' pick and Vegas' pick. Franchise altering picks (plus more to come!). Tough to watch the losses, but this is going to set the franchise up nicely for a decade.
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01-07-2026, 11:51 AM
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#19369
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#1 Goaltender
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Chernyshov Misa and Dickinson ain’t getting moved. Musty/Bystedt + top 10 protected 1st is more realistic imo
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01-07-2026, 11:51 AM
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#19370
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason14h
Does it?
There's one Rasmus Andersson avail. Teams are bidding against each other as much (or more) as 'meeting' Conroy's asking price.
As long as there's at least 2 teams interested I don't see how saying anything either way lower's the price.
It's not like Dallas and LV are going to collude and both offer lower prices just to "screw" Calgary.
Same with Coleman and Kadri. When dealing with the top asset(s) in a trade and multiple interested teams I don't believe you need to bluff or play coy as the league itself will create the bidding war.
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Everyone knows Andersson is getting traded. Neither Coleman or Kadri need to move this year, they are different situations, and Kadri can make a trade difficult and Coleman can make it impossible. I think an Andersson trade and a skid will push them to being open though
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01-07-2026, 12:01 PM
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#19371
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Originally Posted by Torture
Is the risk of a player getting hurt during the Olympic break any different than the risk of being hurt during the regular season between January and the trade deadline?
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No but the benefit of acquiring them is very different. During a regular season you get the benefit of the acquired player helping you win games. During the Olympics that benefit doesn't exist.
So there's a lot more incentive for the buyers to wait until after the Olympics when they have more info about injuries and roster needs.
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01-07-2026, 12:03 PM
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#19372
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by gvitaly
More Sharks smoke:
https://twitter.com/user/status/2008954284684267742
I would be ecstatic if we could get one of Misa, Dickinson, or Chernyshov. Musty would be a good get as well as a part of a package, but I see him more like a Sharangovich, in terms of high skill with a lack of consistency and compete.
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I take that to mean they want younger dmen they can grow with their very young core.
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01-07-2026, 12:08 PM
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#19373
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
I take that to mean they want younger dmen they can grow with their very young core.
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Must really stick in their craw that they couldn't draft Schaefer.
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01-07-2026, 12:10 PM
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#19374
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Must really stick in their craw that they couldn't draft Schaefer.
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Especially with how good he has been right out of the gate. I think Misa will be amazing for them long term, but they could be a juggernaut today with Schaefer back there.
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01-07-2026, 12:10 PM
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#19375
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gvitaly
More Sharks smoke:
https://twitter.com/user/status/2008954284684267742
I would be ecstatic if we could get one of Misa, Dickinson, or Chernyshov. Musty would be a good get as well as a part of a package, but I see him more like a Sharangovich, in terms of high skill with a lack of consistency and compete.
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We don't have a defenceman that fits their core and they can build around. Sorry, but this does not scream Andersson to me.
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01-07-2026, 12:17 PM
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#19376
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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The Sharks need all types of d-men long term.
Ellis is LTIRetirement.
Orlov is 34 and one year left.
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01-07-2026, 12:18 PM
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#19377
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
I take that to mean they want younger dmen they can grow with their very young core.
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Of course you do... you literally just said it.
A core group of players is not a 15-20 year group. If a player can hang with them for 6-9 years that is still a "core" of a team with a long term strategy in play.
The message really only eliminates rentals from the equation or players 35+ who do not have enough years left to be a core player.
Then again, Marchand is ancient and would now be considered a 'core' player with the Panthers.
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01-07-2026, 12:19 PM
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#19378
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First Line Centre
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We are not getting Misa for Anderssson. I really hope no one has those expectations, or they will be very disappointed.
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01-07-2026, 12:21 PM
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#19379
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Join Date: Oct 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
We don't have a defenceman that fits their core and they can build around. Sorry, but this does not scream Andersson to me.
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Who does (that is willing to trade said young stud defenceman)? They aren't getting
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01-07-2026, 12:23 PM
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#19380
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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They'd probably love Parekh, but they don't have anything they would trade for him that we would accept.
Misa for Parekh... hmmmmmmm.
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