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If any of the offers were what Conroy wants then I think Ras would be gone.
Exactly this!
In fact, Seravalli said the Flames would prefer to make the move by the middle of January and that there was significant interest
But
He didn’t believe that there were any concrete offers as of yet
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And yet they still contributed more to this thread than the complaining you two just posted.
And I'm assuming you both missed the text post after the gifs where he stated nothing was done for today but that there is more urgency to get a deal done quick and Conroy and the Agent are working on getting it done in advance of the Olympic break.
Missed this one, too. Anytime the gifs come the response from the poster is inevitable.
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I'm putting all my chips onto the "Nothing ever happens" square. It's worked out quite well for the last 341 days.
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It was Red Deer. They had played in Edmonton and took a bus to Calgary, with a stop for practice in Red Deer. After practice, the GM pulled him aside and told him he was traded. When he asked "where?", the GM said "here", and Conroy said, "Red Deer?" The Kings left him at the rink and he had to wait for the Flames to send someone up to get him.
The game between the Kings and Flames was the following night.
Anyways the point is I think Andersson to the Sharks would be a stupid trade for them to make if the rumored cost of 2 1st is the ask. Dumb trade and signing for a team in their position.
If the Sharks are looking to build a long term winner Rasmus Andersson for 9x8 sure isn’t the move they should be making.
I know your point, it’s just not very convincing or well reasoned and no amount of trying to pass off vague, made up nonsense like “teams typically win in that 8-10 year range after guys are drafted” as fact or a real trend is going to make it more convincing. You might as well say “teams that win have a top three pick on their team!” Sounds neat, doesn’t actually mean anything.
The “position” the Sharks are in is a team with the necessary pieces to take the next step, so now they have to figure out how to take it. You don’t think Andersson is part of that, fine, but they’re going to have to trade good assets and sign older guys they didn’t draft to worthwhile contracts. Literally all of the “typical teams” you mentioned did that, because all teams do that. Kicking the can down the road just means they miss out on the chance to capitalize prime production years and cheap contracts for their young stars.
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The “position” the Sharks are in is a team with the necessary pieces to take the next step, so now they have to figure out how to take it. You don’t think Andersson is part of that, fine, but they’re going to have to trade good assets and sign older guys they didn’t draft to worthwhile contracts. Literally all of the “typical teams” you mentioned did that, because all teams do that. Kicking the can down the road just means they miss out on the chance to capitalize prime production years and cheap contracts for their young stars.
I agree, the Sharks make a lot of sense to go after Andersson. I think they are at the point now where they have the young pieces they need and now it is just waiting for things to develop. They could move that ahead by adding more consequential players in their prime.
Almost their whole defense corps is set to turnover next season (only Olov, Dickinson, and Mukhamadullin are set to return assuming Ellis is done), and they have none signed past 2027 at this point. They could really use a veteran like Andersson.
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Anyways the point is I think Andersson to the Sharks would be a stupid trade for them to make if the rumored cost of 2 1st is the ask. Dumb trade and signing for a team in their position.
If the Sharks are looking to build a long term winner Rasmus Andersson for 9x8 sure isn’t the move they should be making.
That is interesting because what you are saying is the opposite of most of the advocating for building through draft and, specifically, drafting "best player available" over "organizational need".
The Sharks have drafted a stable of excellent prospects and are now establishing themselves in the NHL. They are super deep at forward (especially C) have a couple of LD prospects, one RD, and a great goalie.
At this point in the build they would be literally wasting years off of their existing assets (and all of their ELCs) in order to draft their missing pieces (RD) and then wait 3-4 more years for them to get to the point where they can effectively play top pair minutes.
If they follow the "strategy" properly, this is the point where they trade from the positions that they are deep in to get the assets they are missing. Trading for a top pair RD to cover the next 8-9 years is exactly what they need since it would probably take 4+ years to bring a RD online, if they can get one at the top of this draft (which is not certain since they are fighting for a playoff spot and will likely draft in the teens).
Andersson has to have an extension in place for it to make sense but it does make sense and it IS a move they should absolutely be making. Andersson makes more sense than Hamilton as Andersson is more likely to have 5-6 strong years left due to being 3 years younger.
These are the moves a GM should be making at this point of a rebuild, especially to reward his young team as they have climbed out of the basement and into a playoff spot. If they are opening the contention window then GMMG should not be holding them back just so he can draft more.
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That is interesting because what you are saying is the opposite of most of the advocating for building through draft and, specifically, drafting "best player available" over "organizational need".
The Sharks have drafted a stable of excellent prospects and are now establishing themselves in the NHL. They are super deep at forward (especially C) have a couple of LD prospects, one RD, and a great goalie.
At this point in the build they would be literally wasting years off of their existing assets (and all of their ELCs) in order to draft their missing pieces (RD) and then wait 3-4 more years for them to get to the point where they can effectively play top pair minutes.
If they follow the "strategy" properly, this is the point where they trade from the positions that they are deep in to get the assets they are missing. Trading for a top pair RD to cover the next 8-9 years is exactly what they need since it would probably take 4+ years to bring a RD online, if they can get one at the top of this draft (which is not certain since they are fighting for a playoff spot and will likely draft in the teens).
Andersson has to have an extension in place for it to make sense but it does make sense and it IS a move they should absolutely be making. Andersson makes more sense than Hamilton as Andersson is more likely to have 5-6 strong years left due to being 3 years younger.
These are the moves a GM should be making at this point of a rebuild, especially to reward his young team as they have climbed out of the basement and into a playoff spot. If they are opening the contention window then GMMG should not be holding them back just so he can draft more.
What you are saying makes sense, but only if the dman they are acquiring is much younger. Andersson is simply too old to be safely investing an 8 year contract in. If he wasn't, Calgary would resign him.
Is Andersson in his prime? He is certainly playing well this year, but wasn't last year. How many years like this one does he have left? That's a guess for player in his 30's when his next contract kicks in.
SJ certainly needs a dman like Andersson, but one in his mid 20's. He's not the correct trade target. And this is assuming Andersson would sign an extension.
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That is interesting because what you are saying is the opposite of most of the advocating for building through draft and, specifically, drafting "best player available" over "organizational need".
The Sharks have drafted a stable of excellent prospects and are now establishing themselves in the NHL. They are super deep at forward (especially C) have a couple of LD prospects, one RD, and a great goalie.
At this point in the build they would be literally wasting years off of their existing assets (and all of their ELCs) in order to draft their missing pieces (RD) and then wait 3-4 more years for them to get to the point where they can effectively play top pair minutes.
If they follow the "strategy" properly, this is the point where they trade from the positions that they are deep in to get the assets they are missing. Trading for a top pair RD to cover the next 8-9 years is exactly what they need since it would probably take 4+ years to bring a RD online, if they can get one at the top of this draft (which is not certain since they are fighting for a playoff spot and will likely draft in the teens).
Andersson has to have an extension in place for it to make sense but it does make sense and it IS a move they should absolutely be making. Andersson makes more sense than Hamilton as Andersson is more likely to have 5-6 strong years left due to being 3 years younger.
These are the moves a GM should be making at this point of a rebuild, especially to reward his young team as they have climbed out of the basement and into a playoff spot. If they are opening the contention window then GMMG should not be holding them back just so he can draft more.
Not saying you are wrong but I doubt Anderson would sign an extension right now to go to sharks. I could see him signing with San Jose in off season after he explores all his options and nothing materializes with teams he wants to play for. Anderson is way too close to ufa status to just sign an extension with just any team right now . My guess his list is very short on teams he would do it for. I’ve given up on the extension trade. My guess he is traded as a rental.
What you are saying makes sense, but only if the dman they are acquiring is much younger. Andersson is simply too old to be safely investing an 8 year contract in. If he wasn't, Calgary would resign him.
Is Andersson in his prime? He is certainly playing well this year, but wasn't last year. How many years like this one does he have left? That's a guess for player in his 30's when his next contract kicks in.
SJ certainly needs a dman like Andersson, but one in his mid 20's. He's not the correct trade target. And this is assuming Andersson would sign an extension.
The trade would have to be based around Ras signing and the pick being top 10 protected this year. If both of those conditions are met, I do not see it as a mistake to trade for him unless someone else younger and better becomes available this year.
Sure, SJ is not winning the cup this year, but making the playoffs with that young core forward group brings tons of value to their development. Winning also opens the door to players wanting to be there. They were rumored to be willing to do spend big this past summer but the top UFAs did not want to commit as they were a team projected to be at the bottom. That has already changed but making the playoffs for assets that likely will be buried behind much better young players is a risk as well. They could just keep drafting and draft players that never make the league.
What you are saying makes sense, but only if the dman they are acquiring is much younger. Andersson is simply too old to be safely investing an 8 year contract in. If he wasn't, Calgary would resign him.
Is Andersson in his prime? He is certainly playing well this year, but wasn't last year. How many years like this one does he have left? That's a guess for player in his 30's when his next contract kicks in.
SJ certainly needs a dman like Andersson, but one in his mid 20's. He's not the correct trade target. And this is assuming Andersson would sign an extension.
Except that 25 year old Rasmus Andersson costs a lot more than 30 year old Rasmus Andersson. Almost all teams would prefer to just keep 25 year old Rasmus Andersson for the same reason that SJ would want a 25 year old Rasmus Andersson, so there are very few 25-year old Rasmus Andersson's available, if any.
Getting the ideal piece in a trade costs a lot in assets. Getting the next best thing costs significantly less.
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You complain about a gif but not the 30 pages of garbage prior to it?
I get the GIF complaints as not everyone here is in their 20's, 30's, and GIF riddle enthusiasts but as you say, this thread is a mess of totally unrealistic fan trade proposals, people complaining about the Flames reluctance to rebuild, and posters that seem to wake up every single morning with only the Ras trade on their mind, upset it hasn't happened yet. He's going to be traded but it probably won't be today, tomorrow, or this week but it's going to happen. Nobody has patience anymore.
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What are we going to talk about when it finally does happen?
Why it took so long, how the offer was on the table months ago, how the final return was no better than what they could have got a few months earlier. There will be things to talk about.
We can also circle back to some old favourites like Murray ties Craig’s hands or the fiction that Kadri would have waived his NMC last year. There will always be things to talk about.
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What you are saying makes sense, but only if the dman they are acquiring is much younger. Andersson is simply too old to be safely investing an 8 year contract in. If he wasn't, Calgary would resign him.
Is Andersson in his prime? He is certainly playing well this year, but wasn't last year. How many years like this one does he have left? That's a guess for player in his 30's when his next contract kicks in.
SJ certainly needs a dman like Andersson, but one in his mid 20's. He's not the correct trade target. And this is assuming Andersson would sign an extension.
The issue for the flames is we aren’t going to be competing for a cup in the 3-5 years that Rasmus has left at high level hockey. So signing him now to waste his good strong years makes no sense. A veteran strong D ready to compete now and for the next 3-5 is exactly what the sharks need.
The challenge is getting Rasmus to extend there and convincing him you will be a cup contender now when you haven’t been close for years.
