I find it fascinating though just how much the dude ####s on America. He can't go two minutes at a time without claiming that the US is a third-world country, is overrun by millions of immigrants, is suffering from a terrible economy and just in general is a very ####ty country these days. All of that is BS obviously, but it's fascinating that a party that used to define itself by excessive patriotism and flag-waving has fully committed to the "America sucks" narrative. Telling people that everything sucks is obviously populism 101, but still.
Is it a good strategy? I don't know. I guess for his base it is, but I don't know if constant fearmongering, airing grievances and painting such a bleak picture of America will convince a lot of people. Contrast that to Harris/Walz and their positive messages and vision and it's kind of hard to envision Trump/Vance being overly successful with their message.
I find it fascinating though just how much the dude ####s on America. He can't go two minutes at a time without claiming that the US is a third-world country, is overrun by millions of immigrants, is suffering from a terrible economy and just in general is a very ####ty country these days. All of that is BS obviously, but it's fascinating that a party that used to define itself by excessive patriotism and flag-waving has fully committed to the "America sucks" narrative. Telling people that everything sucks is obviously populism 101, but still.
Is it a good strategy? I don't know. I guess for his base it is, but I don't know if constant fearmongering, airing grievances and painting such a bleak picture of America will convince a lot of people. Contrast that to Harris/Walz and their positive messages and vision and it's kind of hard to envision Trump/Vance being overly successful with their message.
It's also very funny how America sucks in every possible way, but it's also better than anyone else in every way.
It's especially funny how he keeps saying that things are somehow really bad in Europe. I mean sure, it sucks if you're in Ukraine, Russia or Belarus for example, or in the areas in Southern Europe which now burn every summer, and we do have our own problems, like the rise of fascism etc.
But come on. It's still generally quite nice here.
A big part of the American Psyche though is how much greater they are and more blessed than anywhere else, so for a lot of people they can't even comprehend that other countries could possibly have the same standard of living (or greater).
I mean, look at the metric system.
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This is why you vote Democrat. Put a big dent in these Tech Bros and O&G Oligarchs who abuse the average guy on the street. The Republicans have always complained about a transfer of wealth from the rich to the poor, but the reality is there is a massive transfer of wealth going on in the United States and it is from the poor to ultra-rich. The problem is the average person is too stupid (uneducated) to recognize this.
People actually vote for this person eh? People in the crowd even applauded after he said this. Doesn’t matter if you disparage the military if you’re in a cult I guess.
People actually vote for this person eh? People in the crowd even applauded after he said this. Doesn’t matter if you disparage the military if you’re in a cult I guess.
It really is just about worshipping Trump. Although I think the fever is breaking somewhat, and there's now some copium in the air in his rallies, they're trying do deny it's real.
One of odd things when I was listening to his speech was the chants. By far the loudest chant was "WE LOVE TRUMP!" followed by "Fight, fight, fight!".
The only other chant was "drill, baby, drill", but it was nowhere near the first one, and it was directly related to his speech, unlike those two other chants which at least had the appearance of being spontaneous. It's odd when you think about it
Chants in political rallies are as much a message to your opponent as it is to your own people. (No different from most sports chants in that way.) You're shouting at the world to tell it what you want.
Things like "we're not going back" make a lot of sense as chant, it's what the people shouting it want. Shouting your candidates name makes sense. Its shorthand for "we want this guy to win". "Drill baby drill" makes sense, it's a simplification of a policy platform. Even "lock her up" makes sense, it's something they wanted to happen.
But "we love x"? That's weird as a chant in a supposed political rally, especially at this point. (Less weird if it's the start or the end of a campaign.)
You don't normally chant for things you already have. (Unless you just got it, like "we are the champions".)
It gave me a feeling that these people are feeling insecure, about loving Trump, and about their chances of winning. The latter of course makes sense right now, but still... just "fight"? The fight itself is the main thing? Not "Make America great again" or anything else?
Idk, very much a sidebar, sorry. Slow day at work.
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I find it fascinating though just how much the dude ####s on America. He can't go two minutes at a time without claiming that the US is a third-world country, is overrun by millions of immigrants, is suffering from a terrible economy and just in general is a very ####ty country these days. All of that is BS obviously, but it's fascinating that a party that used to define itself by excessive patriotism and flag-waving has fully committed to the "America sucks" narrative. Telling people that everything sucks is obviously populism 101, but still.
Is it a good strategy? I don't know. I guess for his base it is, but I don't know if constant fearmongering, airing grievances and painting such a bleak picture of America will convince a lot of people. Contrast that to Harris/Walz and their positive messages and vision and it's kind of hard to envision Trump/Vance being overly successful with their message.
I think it could be. It puts pressure on Kamala.
Wasn't there a poll recently that said only 25% of Americans are happy with the direction the country is going in? Do people see Kamala as the same as Biden or is she "An agent of change"? This is why I stand by that Trump's crazy press conferences are better than no press conferences. Kamala should call out these lies.
She's a new candidate, appointed over an unpopular official candidate and sitting president, how does she distance herself from Biden other than she's young and has energy? As I said, it's been a honeymoon so far and the DNC will be a further bump, but then what?
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It's also very funny how America sucks in every possible way, but it's also better than anyone else in every way.
It's especially funny how he keeps saying that things are somehow really bad in Europe. I mean sure, it sucks if you're in Ukraine, Russia or Belarus for example, or in the areas in Southern Europe which now burn every summer, and we do have our own problems, like the rise of fascism etc.
But come on. It's still generally quite nice here.
in that regard, it's always nauseating when I hear Trump talk about Viktor Orban. I mean, I understand why he does, he just loves his dictators and strongmen ... but living in Europe, it just gives you pause when one of the candidates for US president fawns over Hungary of all places and Orban of all people. Not exactly something to take inspiration from.
It's funny though when Trump complains that Orban told him "Europeans are scared of Trump" instead of "respect Trump". Nobody respects you over here, sir. Fear? Sure. But not in the way he'd want ... I'd rather compare it to a coked-up monkey with a machine gun. Sure, I'd be scared of that, but not because it's oh so powerful, but because it's unpredictable and clearly in a situation it should never be in.
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This is why I stand by that Trump's crazy press conferences are better than no press conferences. Kamala should call out these lies.
Why? No one is paying attention to them. They aren't getting traction.
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She's a new candidate, appointed over an unpopular official candidate and sitting president, how does she distance herself from Biden other than she's young and has energy? As I said, it's been a honeymoon so far and the DNC will be a further bump, but then what?
She'll do a couple of network news interviews, go to the September 10 debate, and keep doing events in swing states. Then.. win? Unless she starts going off message and derails her momentum or something else happens that she needs to respond to.
What about this is hard to understand? Why do you think she needs to do something different than what she's doing? Look at the trend line here. Why on Earth would anyone be going "well, we clearly need a new strategy"?
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Why? No one is paying attention to them. They aren't getting traction.
She'll do a couple of network news interviews, go to the September 10 debate, and keep doing events in swing states. Then.. win? Unless she starts going off message and derails her momentum or something else happens that she needs to respond to.
What about this is hard to understand? Why do you think she needs to do something different than what she's doing? Look at the trend line here. Why on Earth would anyone be going "well, we clearly need a new strategy"?
I just don't think it can last without substance. Maybe you're right and this is simply a 'don't #### it up' election but even though she's new, she's still part of an unpopular administration.
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People actually vote for this person eh? People in the crowd even applauded after he said this. Doesn’t matter if you disparage the military if you’re in a cult I guess.
I see girly conflates noise with substance. That’s a shame. Personally I’m not of the mind that a popular candidate with measurable momentum should change tactics in order to placate some conservative idea of what they should be but that’s just my crazy view on it.
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You will feel terrible about every single thing going on in the world and America right now. It very literally makes you feel very sick and desperate.
I understand that this is good campaign strategy…
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I just don't think it can last without substance. Maybe you're right and this is simply a 'don't #### it up' election but even though she's new, she's still part of an unpopular administration.
Hillary pivoted because of poor analytics and it cost her the election.
Don't get in the away of your opponent shooting themselves in the foot.
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I see girly conflates noise with substance. That’s a shame. Personally I’m not of the mind that a popular candidate with measurable momentum should change tactics in order to placate some conservative idea of what they should be but that’s just my crazy view on it.
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Hillary pivoted because of poor analytics and it cost her the election.
Don't get in the away of your opponent shooting themselves in the foot.
I think it's different. Hillary wasn't the vice president and she did plenty of debating during the primaries. She was known. How did she pivot? Kamala is unknown and part of the administration.
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I just don't think it can last without substance. Maybe you're right and this is simply a 'don't #### it up' election but even though she's new, she's still part of an unpopular administration.
Yeah, no. That's not how it works. The most recent polls on Kamala's favorability are +2, -3, +2. The previous round it was -1, -2, etc. Biden, meanwhile, is like -20, consistently, and that hasn't changed in a long time. People's opinion of her isn't tied to Biden.
Go back to July 19-21 Kamala favorability polls - she was as low as -19, -21, best polling had her -7. At the time she was linked to him. As soon as she started doing her tour of swing states, that linkage disappeared.
She doesn't need to do anything different from what she is doing to distance herself from Biden or the administration. It's already working. Hell, it's already worked.
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I think it's different. Hillary wasn't the vice president and she did plenty of debating during the primaries. She was known. How did she pivot? Kamala is unknown and part of the administration.
None of your positions on this make any sense. Kamala is the Vice President of the United States… but an unknown. OK. Kamala should change tactics because the tactics she’s using are working and she should give Trump attention because him not getting attention is having him drop in the polls… OK.
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yeah, no reason to pivot at all. The last few weeks couldn't have possibly gone better for Harris and the Democrats, why change a thing? Stay on the campaign trail and let Trump and Vance continue to shoot themselves in the foot every time they open their mouths.
I need to add that I would highly recommend that no one ever listen to Trump for very long, because he's an incredibly toxic speaker these days. You will feel terrible about every single thing going on in the world and America right now. It very literally makes you feel very sick and desperate.
I understand that this is good campaign strategy, but this very much comes at the cost of your own wellbeing if you listen to him for very long.
Yes he's captivating in his own way, but it's not a good kind of captivation.
I listened to him for 20 minutes the other day, and felt dirty for doing so. There were no position statements - just attacks including lies, name calling, lies, whining, lies, empty promises of how he’ll fix things…that kind of crap.
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