[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

I could have sworn they said the players would be there today at the availability. Then everyone was unsure of the time of it. I bet it was real aged to him being caught off guard and not up for it. Too bad, it would be nice to get out from all the uncertainty this off season. Would love to just be able to put the phone down and not wondering when player c will sign or be traded.

After Treliving's presser they announced Huberdeau and Weegar would be on a zoom call tomorrow (Sunday)

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Backtracked? I said he was a very good player but not top 5 ect.

I will bet anyone here $100 Tkachuk won't score 100 this season

Everyone but Oilers fans and the usual suspects think it's a steal for the Flames so I'm pretty thrilled not gonna lie

Originally Posted by Yoho

Even if Huberdeau walks that trade is a win because we will clean up again trading him and then start the rebuild with lots of bullets in the chamber now and down the road.

I mean walk free like Johnny

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Flames won big. The only way they lose if if Huberdeau walks free

But I won’t be surprised if Tkachuk gets 100 pt with Barkov and a relatively stacked team

I mean if you are saying they won big that should be a sign lol


I am not saying it's impossible but yeah I will take the under on 100 if there are any takers.

If the Vegas line is 100 points that is a great bet IMO. He will score more in Florida than all those other places though.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Backtracked? I said he was a very good player but not top 5 ect.

I will bet anyone here $100 Tkachuk won't score 100 this season

Everyone but Oilers fans and the usual suspects think it's a steal for the Flames so I'm pretty thrilled not gonna lie

Well you said again, as in ever. Not one season. It is pretty clear a lot people had no idea what the market was, despite trades like Seth Jones showing what the market is for elite players under the age of 26. Tkachuk being two years younger and Treliving doing a good job definitely juiced the return, but the equivalent of 3 first rounders was always going to be the baseline on this deal. Brad definitely did better than that, especially if he can sign the two players.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by b1crunch

May have missed it but where can you watch a rerun of the Tre press conference from today? I only see a FLames TV 1 on 1 video. Can't seem to find the press conference.

Flames Talk podcast has it if you want to just listen to the process. Also a separate call with Brad and the 960 guys.

[devo22]

Huberdeau was a high pick for them, spent 10 seasons there and played over 670 games for them. Not a good look for Zito if Huberdeau was anticipating contract talks and was instead blindsided by the trade.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by devo22

Huberdeau was a high pick for them, spent 10 seasons there and played over 670 games for them. Not a good look for Zito if Huberdeau was anticipating contract talks and was instead blindsided by the trade.

Like a reversed Johnny

[Fischy13]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

After Treliving's presser they announced Huberdeau and Weegar would be on a zoom call tomorrow (Sunday)

Yeah I caught that, just noting that they originally said they’d be let of todays call if I remember correctly. Thought that was a strange change up but makes sense if one was caught off guard and not ready for it.

[The Boy Wonder]

All this talk of tkachuk being a unicorn and elite has me thinking of Joe Flacco...

Like who is fooling who at this point? Chuckie had a great year, and he’s cashing in as he should but with his abysmal skating ability he’s never a guy you want for the end years of that contract and I personally don’t see him in the top 5 “elite” players in the league, despite what we’re hearing today.

Flames got a better player, older, but better, in huberdeau. The rest is just gravy

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

All this talk of tkachuk being a unicorn and elite has me thinking of Joe Flacco...

Like who is fooling who at this point? Chuckie had a great year, and he’s cashing in as he should but with his abysmal skating ability he’s never a guy you want for the end years of that contract and I personally don’t see him in the top 5 “elite” players in the league, despite what we’re hearing today.

Flames got a better player, older, but better, in huberdeau. The rest is just gravy

Tkachuk is elite on both halves of the ice
Just not the full length at the same time

[PuckDemon]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Like a reversed Johnny

Flames and Huberdeau can console each other. And eventually...love will bloom.

[cannon7]

What if 115 point Gaudreau was 6'1" and 202lbs?

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by PuckDemon

Flames and Huberdeau can console each other. And eventually...love will bloom.

The "unwanteds" come together!

[SuperMatt18]

Huberdeau and Weegar are being scapegoated for the Panthers playoff struggles.

Funny to Blame those two instead of just the fact that Vasilevsky has outplayed Bobrovsky badly in the last two series.

Lightning have a .948 save percentage and Panthers a .882 save percentage in those series. Panthers as a team have a 52.5% xGF at all strengths in those series too, but goaltending has been poor.

I’m happy to take their scapegoats though. IMO it’s smart to try to trade for guys like that, Kadri was a similar story as the scapegoat in Toronto.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Huberdeau and Weegar are being scapegoated for the Panthers playoff struggles.

Funny to Blame those two instead of just the fact that Vasilevsky has outplayed Bobrovsky badly in the last two series.

Lightning have a .948 save percentage and Panthers a .882 save percentage in those series. Panthers as a team have a 52.5% xGF at all strengths in those series too, but goaltending has been poor.

I’m happy to take their scapegoats though. IMO it’s smart to try to trade for guys like that, Kadri was a similar story as the scapegoat in Toronto.

Bob is like Smith….way overrated
More failure than success. They hope knight takes over soon

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by devo22

Huberdeau was a high pick for them, spent 10 seasons there and played over 670 games for them. Not a good look for Zito if Huberdeau was anticipating contract talks and was instead blindsided by the trade.

I wonder if the strip club controversy playes a role in all of this. It does look weird that they didn't even want him there, or so it seems.

[Nelson]

I think two things are true.

First, this deal is amazing.

Second, the Flames must get long-term, high-end assets out of Tkachuk well before the season begins. They could do this by extending Huberdeau and/or Weegar, or they could do this by trading Huberdeau and/or Weegar. But I think they need to do one of these two things well before the season begins. This will prevent a situation where the Flames do not trade Huberdeau and Weegar at the deadline because they’re a playoff team and risk losing Huberdeau and Weegar for nothing. It will also prevent the team from being disrupted once the season begins.

[Caboose]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

If they sign long-term I fully expect the value of those contracts to be close to $16M+. Keep that in mind as you mull over the flexibility, especially when each additional player added prior to the extension of these players works against the amount can be spent to extend these two.

Interesting way of spinning it.

On the other hand, Gaudreau's money would have kicked in this year, giving the Flames very little flexibility. If Huberdeau and Weegar get extended say, within the next month at your theoretical combined 16M+, that's still more room to play with in the future than the theoretical 20M+ for Johnny + Tkachuk.

You say they're kicking the can down the road as if it's a bad thing. It's actually a great thing, because "down the road" happens to be where Lucic and Monahan's deals are done, coincidentally right when Huberdeau and Weegar's theoretical deals would kick in.

Therefore, the outcome of all of this is roughly $10M in cap space this year that would not have existed in the alternate universe where both Johnny and Tkachuk sign, and $4M worth of space next year, plus the $12M from Looch and Monahan.

I think. I worked all morning and I'm tired, but I think this makes sense. Probably.

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[bluejays]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Huberdeau and Weegar are being scapegoated for the Panthers playoff struggles.

Funny to Blame those two instead of just the fact that Vasilevsky has outplayed Bobrovsky badly in the last two series.

Lightning have a .948 save percentage and Panthers a .882 save percentage in those series. Panthers as a team have a 52.5% xGF at all strengths in those series too, but goaltending has been poor.

I’m happy to take their scapegoats though. IMO it’s smart to try to trade for guys like that, Kadri was a similar story as the scapegoat in Toronto.

Kadri deserved it at the time though. He was ejected and suspended at the worst time for two consecutive playoff series’. He was immature and didn’t likely have the leadership on the team to chew him out. Plus the Leafs defence stunk at the time. They knew what they had in him but given their needs and his bad decision making it was a sensible casualty.

[d_phaneuf]

I think it's an unbelievably deal by Treveling

Even if you guys cant sign these guys and have to move them at the deadline, they are both top line/pairing level, so would be at top of list for anyone available

Avoiding tkachuk long term is a blessing too, next few years he may be worth the deal, but with his skating that deal wont age well, even everyone here has been pointing that out for years

I fully expected treveling to go rebuild, but what hes essentially done is keep a window open and pushed the decision off by 9 months, while still having the ability to go either way wide open