2021 NHL Draft

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I don't care who we take, just as long as expectations are maintained and we understand we are getting a middle six player, if they develop as expected. We're not getting a top end prospect and they should likely slot in behind Zary and Pelletier in potential. We could get a second liner out of the mix, but based on the limitations of players available expect a third liner.

Maybe but I still think Coronato has the chutzpah in his game to be a 1st liner/difference maker. Again though his size could limit that and its unlikely he is still there at 12. Im still holding out hope however, cause Im a fan of the team.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I really hope we don't take Hunter Shinkaruk 2.0 in Cole Sillinger.

With the top 8 being the top 8, I'd hope that one of those slide to 11 and if not, go for Kent Johnson, Cossa, or Lysell

LOL Sillinger is nothing at all like Shinkaruk (yet you've listed Lysell, who could easily be confused for Hunter if you're not wearing glasses...)

[shutout]

For me one of the centermen

Sillinger
McTavish
Lucius
Svechkov

Hard to find top six centers that can drive offense.
All four of these players have the potential to meet those expectations.

Draft with a view to expected upside ceiling instead of worst case floor.

[slash&burn]

Any chance Lysell could potentially play centre at the NHL level? With his speed and play-making ability it seems like it could happen but I'm not sure I've ever heard of a winger at lower levels become a successful centre in the NHL.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I don't care who we take, just as long as expectations are maintained and we understand we are getting a middle six player, if they develop as expected. We're not getting a top end prospect and they should likely slot in behind Zary and Pelletier in potential. We could get a second liner out of the mix, but based on the limitations of players available expect a third liner.

It happens every year. The players drafted on Friday will immediately be compared to superstar players in the league and be considered the top prospects. It’s a recency bias that we experiences every draft. Even though this draft has continually been criticized for being a weak draft for years. I think we will look back on this draft and compare it to the 2012 draft where there were a few good players (forsberg and Josh Anderson, for example) and maybe one superstar that was not a very high pick (Vasilevskiy). I think there will be a lot of disappointments. Have to remember that, along with being a weak draft, most of the players in this draft have had a derailed development because of the pandemic.


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[dammage79]

Personal preferences aside, the Flames are getting a good player at 12.

Whether it be Sillinger, Lysell, Lucius, Coronoto or McTavish or a surprise faller.

If people want to say the player they're getting at 12 is the best prospect and be excited and want to enjoy the event, let them. Manage your own personal expectations.

I'm still all about Lucius though. Can't get around a RHS Center with top shelf scoring punch. It's a dream pick.

[Lanny_McDonald]

NVM, stemit14 covered it well.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Personal preferences aside, the Flames are getting a good player at 12.

Whether it be Sillinger, Lysell, Lucius, Coronoto or McTavish or a surprise faller.

If people want to say the player they're getting at 12 is the best prospect and be excited and want to enjoy the event, let them. Manage your own personal expectations.

I'm still all about Lucius though. Can't get around a RHS Center with top shelf scoring punch. It's a dream pick.

I agree regarding Lucius.

[Monahammer]

Meh, I think there is generally a lot of uncertainty about the draft.

How often is it that a draft eligible forward puts up 2 ppg in the CHL and isn't a guaranteed top 3 pick?

There is definitely strong offensive talent here. IMO there is a great chance we get a player who is superior to Zary and Pelletier in spot 12 here. No guarantee, but discounting it immediately is equally foolish.

[Monahammer]

Lucius- I have yet to see any video of this kid skating that didn't make me cringe. I would be happy to see it now but it has never happened.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I don't care who we take, just as long as expectations are maintained and we understand we are getting a middle six player, if they develop as expected. We're not getting a top end prospect and they should likely slot in behind Zary and Pelletier in potential. We could get a second liner out of the mix, but based on the limitations of players available expect a third liner.

I think this is understood but the draft is fun and fans should be excited.
Because why not.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Personal preferences aside, the Flames are getting a good player at 12.

Whether it be Sillinger, Lysell, Lucius, Coronoto or McTavish or a surprise faller.
.

At this point I would have to consider McTavish to be a surprise faller.
Seems like he is now in that top grouping and could even go top 5.
If he's there - I take him for sure.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lucius- I have yet to see any video of this kid skating that didn't make me cringe. I would be happy to see it now but it has never happened.

I can honestly say the same thing about Sillinger. I watched 5 highlight videos of him last night and not a single video showed him skating up the ice with any regularity. All he did 90 percent of the time was finish off loose puck os some really excellent shots from outside the circle.

Sillinger has an amazing shot and is amazing at getting it off and crazy hard and accurate from the weirdest of angles body position wise.

IMO, Lucius is a better skater than Sill8nger. But they're both behind behind curve to the rest of the players in the Flames range.

And still. I'd be happy with any of them not named Lambos.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

At this point I would have to consider McTavish to be a surprise faller.
Seems like he is now in that top grouping and could even go top 5.
If he's there - I take him for sure.

I agree.
I think it would be surprising if none of the teams near the top would value McTavish highly.

And yes, there are players in this draft who have produced.

Lets look at Kyle Connor from 2015. He was projected to go higher than he went (#17).
He had 80 points in 56 USHL games. Good for 1.43 points per game.
Colin White went 20th overall. He only had 17 points in 20 USHL games.
Brock Boeser went 23rd. He has 68 points in 57 USHL games.

Cole Sillinger: 1.48 points per game
Chad Lucius: 1.50 points per game
Matthew Coronato: 1.67 points per game

And you can argue that the USHL had greater competition this year.

Guenther had 2.0 points per game and might not go top 5. That's a rarity.
William Eklund had impressive totals in the SHL.

Some of these guys will be top line players. The question is which one.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Coronato because of the type of player he is or because of the college concerns?

I just see a guy whose numbers went high after playing on a loaded team. I am not convinced he is as good as he showed last year and I think the risk he busts is higher. I am not saying he will or I am right, just a personal feeling. College has nothing to do with it, most players don't use that loophole.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I can honestly say the same thing about Sillinger. I watched 5 highlight videos of him last night and not a single video showed him skating up the ice with any regularity. All he did 90 percent of the time was finish off loose puck os some really excellent shots from outside the circle.

Sillinger has an amazing shot and is amazing at getting it off and crazy hard and accurate from the weirdest of angles body position wise.

IMO, Lucius is a better skater than Sill8nger. But they're both behind behind curve to the rest of the players in the Flames range.

And still. I'd be happy with any of them not named Lambos.

Sillinger is #34 in the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M82Sp4gbjc

First clip in this video, sillinger battles with three along the boards, dishes out front, retrieves the puck and skates all the way back to the top of the zone, makes a hard cut and a deke. Solid skating displayed.

Second clip, starts around :25, he takes the defensive position, makes an excellent cross over on the line to move the puck across (again showing excellent footwork).

1:28 and on, you can see how strong he is on his skates as he absorbs multiple hits on the boards with ease and makes a hard cut to the middle (finishes with a snipe.)

2:31+ you can see his speed and stride on a 2-1 created by a good defensive play. He keeps ahead of both defenders easily even while loading up his shot (which is a rocket.)

2:50+ he makes an excellent play all on his own, swooping in on a forecheck, stealing the puck and streaking behind the net, evading 2 d, then opening his skates and circling out front for an excellent goal. IMO sublime skating is evidenced in this play in particular.

3:14 you can see his escape speed and stride again. He separates from the defenders behind him on this play. Watch this whole sequence, which continues until the goal at around 3:32. Sillinger gets two break outs in the same sequence, and long stride and good skating+ speed on both. Decent stamina also evidenced.

I eagerly await your equal analysis of Lucius!

[sureLoss]

McKenzie on the top 9.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418310894468091911

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418312235336749058

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418313353508839429

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418314277501427722

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418319370229592067

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418319993985511425

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418321356253507588

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418321883607535623

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418322742055739395

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418323879777472514

[Nadal Fan]

I heard from a reliable source that Columbus has been kicking the tires really hard on Sillenger. I know they like to go off the board, don't be surprised if they take him earlier than expected.

[ComixZone]

If we somehow end up with Johnson or Wallstedt at 12, I’d be pretty happy.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Personal preferences aside, the Flames are getting a good player at 12.

Whether it be Sillinger, Lysell, Lucius, Coronoto or McTavish or a surprise faller.

If people want to say the player they're getting at 12 is the best prospect and be excited and want to enjoy the event, let them. Manage your own personal expectations.

I'm still all about Lucius though. Can't get around a RHS Center with top shelf scoring punch. It's a dream pick.

Lucius over Sillinger?

Of the top 12 Lucius is the one I am worried we are going to be stuck with. I don't know anything about him and I totally get my view is irrational.

Based on what Sandman has said, Sillinger could be a potential #1C.