Regarding the Latino vote I think in 2016 issues around immigration, the 'wall,' and Trump's disparaging comments about Mexicans were much more central to the campaign resulting in a motivated Latino vote against a Trump presidency.
Those same issues were far less prevalent this time.
The failure of the democratic party to win convincingly does not fall on voters. It falls on the Democratic party. At some point they need to get in touch with what gets people excited about politics and quit the hollier than thow BS. the Trump is evil campaign is not enough. It rang hallow in 2016 it rang hollow for four years. Who cares how true it is, you need to convince people to vote FOR you, instead of against someone else.
So, like issuing fake news and lying?
Honestly, one of the biggest, if not the biggest criticism of Biden during his campaign was talking about decreasing demand for fossil fuels. People were saying it was bad to tell the truth and he should have avoided the answer or outright lied because it was what voters in swing states wanted to hear.
What gets people excited is fanfare and pageantry, not the issues. That is where the Republicans get their success, and that is a problem. It doesn't matter how obvious Trump's lies are, or how ridiculous and baseless his accusations are against others, as long as it gets people excited to vote for him. Having rallies and red hats with catch phrases on them gets half of Americans excited, not medical care and stimulus packages.
I am glad that the other party has resisted that recipe for the most part. And the hollier than though attitude isn't just a Democrat trait. After all, they aren't the ones clutching guns and bibles.
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So, other than the issues with USPS not delivering ballots, there haven't been any reports of Trump ballots being dumped in ditches or rivers? No reports of Democrats running out of Kinkos then straight to the polling stations?
I really love Rachel Bitecofer and one of her main arguments is democrats spend too much time trying to convince republicans to switch which is insanely unlikely.
Good interview about what possibly went wrong with the Latino vote:
They made some great points on messaging and targeting populations. That is exactly how Arizona was turned. Targeted messaging that reached communities that could turn the state. I can see why Trump did so well in Florida now as I did not know they had their own media system within the Cuban community. Trump knows how to use the media to his advantage so that all makes sense. Give credit where credit is due, if you can get free coverage without spending much money, you're ahead of the game. Trump has been great at this his whole life thanks to the mentoring he got from Roy Cohen.
The Democrats will have to do a lot of soul searching after this. That is not news. They really need to improve their messaging and they need to target it better. But we have been saying this for years and they still suck, because they appeal to a larger tent with many more messages to manage. They need to get better at counterpunching and making the Republicans chase them for a change.
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Regarding the Latino vote I think in 2016 issues around immigration, the 'wall,' and Trump's disparaging comments about Mexicans were much more central to the campaign resulting in a motivated Latino vote against a Trump presidency.
Those same issues were far less prevalent this time.
Never seizes to amaze me how some people can forget that one candidate would love to literally drive you and your family out of the country because of your skin colour, just because it's not not at the top of his agenda right now...
Trump proves yet again he knows nothing. He cannot make a direct application to the Supreme Court for any kind of declaration. As in the cases of prior Republican challenges the various lower state courts have their say first as state law governs the election process in each state.
Unless state laws have been violated these cases should never make their way to the Supreme Court, and if the Republicans do appeal each decision it should take the USSC minutes to dismiss each appeal.
Trump won in 2016 for a reason. 2020 results shows his presidency is not a fluke.
Democrats need to wake up and understand Americans are what they are. Several left ideologies they are pushing are simply not accepted in America, to the point where Americans would rather elect a buffoon then see these ideologies take hold.
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I really love Rachel Bitecofer and one of her main arguments is democrats spend too much time trying to convince republicans to switch which is insanely unlikely.
I don't know if it's insanely unlikely but the messaging is wrong. You can't get Republicans to switch saying they suck. You have to give a policy that republicans can move over too. This is what Clinton did in '92. He promised to balance the budget, be tough on crime, and some social security reforms. Obama in '08 going to the middle class over warhawk and elitist McCain.
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Seems like more of a system problem IMO...Dems are going to get millions and millions more votes
Also lets not forget one side denied a pandemic...easier to get them to the polls, the only sure way to have your vote count
The difference in votes is still only going to be around 2-3% of the total. Winning the popular vote is nothing to get excited about when it is still that close to a 50/50 split. The difference in popular vote is basically California.
I am sure the system plays a part, but the results I believe are more a reflection of the attitudes and mindset of the overall population. Make no mistake, close to half of Americans want someone like Trump.
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I don't know if it's insanely unlikely but the messaging is wrong. You can't get Republicans to switch saying they suck. You have to give a policy that republicans can move over too. This is what Clinton did in '92. He promised to balance the budget, be tough on crime, and some social security reforms. Obama in '08 going to the middle class over warhawk and elitist McCain.
Sorry, what exactly was in Biden's platform that wouldn't appeal to Republicans again? That was the whole game plan.
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