Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Looch City]

Oh #### we've got a live one in this thread!

Tell us, how does it feel to be so completely duped by her majesty Marliana?

Do you honestly think she has your best intentions on hand and not just her friends and rich donors? Her veil is completely see through.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Why would you vote UCP and peace out to Seattle ? That’s like kicking us in the balls and running away.

Absolutely. WTF man? You want American style government, and you move there for it. Don't dump that #### on us. Thanks a lot. What motivation would you possibly have for doing that?

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

It should be pretty simple for mature humans to admit when they made a mistake. If it just makes you get your back up, then you’re a ####ing moron and not worth holding hands with to walk them through everything like they’re ####ing toddlers.

They want to avoid feeling any shame, cause shame can lead to changing ones poor behavior. But it feels icky so they fight reality.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

It should be pretty simple for mature humans to admit when they made a mistake. If it just makes you get your back up, then you’re a ####ing moron and not worth holding hands with to walk them through everything like they’re ####ing toddlers.

Sure, sounds good in theory. Try that angle in a heated emotional discussion (as politics often is), and see where that gets you. You have to give your opponent some way to backtrack and save face.

But whatever floats your boat. I voted NDP. I just don’t feel the need to tell UCP voters they’re stupid and should concede that they were wrong because I think that’s counterproductive.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Slava

I just don’t feel the need to tell UCP voters they’re stupid and should concede that they were wrong because I think that’s counterproductive.

Callouts aren’t meant to be productive. You’d have to be pretty naive to think spitting contempt and scorn at someone is going to make them see the light and join your team. No, the callouts - like 90 per cent of political speech - are meant to earn high-fives from people who are already on your team.

[Point Blank]

Throwing the word “socialist” around like it’s an insult is the most republican thing ever, along with being a racist bigot.

[The Fisher Account]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

Throwing the word “socialist” around like it’s an insult is the most republican thing ever, along with being a racist bigot.

I'm getting this in person now with family. Apparently if you aren't an ardent UCP or Conservative supporter, you're a stinkin socialist.

Wild that we're seeing a new version of McCarthyism in 2020's Alberta.

[PepsiFree]

It’s good that we have sensible moderates on CP who finger wave the finger waving, as though this isn’t the 99% the same group of 99% men who have been holding the exact same positions for 99% of however many years you want to go back.

We need to be kind to each other or someone might actually not change the position they never change, according to the guy who mocked someone for getting upset over people wishing them dead.

[timun]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

I'm getting this in person now with family. Apparently if you aren't an ardent UCP or Conservative supporter, you're a stinkin socialist.

Wild that we're seeing a new version of McCarthyism in 2020's Alberta.

Nothing new in this province, that sort of fascist 'othering' has been going on for a long time. 'Socialist' and 'liberal' have been used as epithets by conservatives in this province for as long as I can remember.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Callouts aren’t meant to be productive. You’d have to be pretty naive to think spitting contempt and scorn at someone is going to make them see the light and join your team. No, the callouts - like 90 per cent of political speech - are meant to earn high-fives from people who are already on your team.

Nobody who posts in this thread is naive enough to have accidentally voted for this obvious disaster simply because she is on team blue. They knew exactly who she is, and what she would do, and chose that path. So tenderness and kindly pointing out how ####ing stupid or evil they are isn't going to change any minds. They've foisted this disaster of a government on us that has real consequences and real negative effects on our lives and the lives of those we love and care about, and I have no problem calling them out for that. So #### them, because they've ####ed us, and are gleeful about that ####ing.

[Alpha_Q]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

What makes Nenshi’s socialist policies more palatable to conservatives than Notley’s socialist ones?

Don't worry, somewhere along the line Nenshi will offer financial support to women, or the environment, or the LGBTQ community and it'll be 'I would have voted for Nenshi, but...'

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s good that we have sensible moderates on CP who finger wave the finger waving, as though this isn’t the 99% the same group of 99% men who have been holding the exact same positions for 99% of however many years you want to go back.

We need to be kind to each other or someone might actually not change the position they never change, according to the guy who mocked someone for getting upset over people wishing them dead.

Always remember the time-old adage: it’s worse to call-out somebody being wrong than it is to be wrong.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Always remember the time-old adage: it’s worse to call-out somebody being wrong than it is to be wrong.

Te must be tolerant of the intolerant, or something like that.

[Harry Lime]

It's the point of discussion in threads like this, or generally to people in your circle, to move them away from the edge. Regular people are needed to build bridges that the would be UCP voter can cross over. So if someone won't vote for the NDP because they are socialist, calmly explain how the Alberta NDP are not socialist. If they believe that the school system is rigged, calmly explain to them how it is not.

So far the most convincing argument against the UCP has been the actions of the UCP.

The NDP's biggest failure has been not reaching out to the conservative voter, and that's why there is hope surrounding Nenshi.

[MoneyGuy]

I hate that my only reasonable choices are a corrupt government beholden to wealthy benefactors and a spendthrift left-wing party. Neither represents me but it’s NDP by default.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I hate that my only reasonable choices are a corrupt government beholden to wealthy benefactors and a spendthrift left-wing party. Neither represents me but it’s NDP by default.

What wasteful spending did the NDP do, and how is it worse and noteworthy to point out vs the UCP's wasteful spending? Why is it only non-Conservative parties that get singled out for "wasteful" spending?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I hate that my only reasonable choices are a corrupt government beholden to wealthy benefactors and a spendthrift left-wing party. Neither represents me but it’s NDP by default.

It's not just the left that are 'spendthrift'. The UCP gave away $1.4 billion of our province's money on a pipeline to nowhere - the single greatest financial disaster this province has ever seen. If anything conservatives and the UCP are worse in that department than the 'left-wing' party.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I hate that my only reasonable choices are a corrupt government beholden to wealthy benefactors and a spendthrift left-wing party. Neither represents me but it’s NDP by default.

In 2018 the 2018/19 budget was 56.2 billion. This year the 24/25 budget is 73.2 billion a 30.2% increase. Inflation has been 19% and pop growth 11% for a total of 32.1% assuming linear increase of expenses for adding people.

So the Conservatives have not meaningfully changed spending in this province since taking power. They have continued the spendthrift ways that the NDP started.

We need to quit characterizing the cons as fiscal stewards and the NDP as spendthrifts.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Muta

It's not just the left that are 'spendthrift'. The UCP gave away $1.4 billion of our province's money on a pipeline to nowhere - the single greatest financial disaster this province has ever seen. If anything conservatives and the UCP are worse in that department than the 'left-wing' party.

Getting our crude to markets is an important issue and one that has surfaced due to a lack of investment and planning for a long time. Even Notley knew of this importance as she signed an almost $4B crude by rail deal

[surferguy]

Moneyguy as others have already said and pointed out but this needs to be called out for a serious misrepresentation at this point. You follow this thread actively. To suggest that the NDP blow through cash like a drunken sailer while not holding the UCP to the same degree, especially in the light of the last 4/5 years, is disingenuous at best.