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Old 07-07-2016, 08:07 AM   #1861
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There is a great scene in season 1 or 2 when Jon Snow is talking to Maester Aemon at Castle Black and Aemon reveals himself to be a Targaryen.

Aemon has a small snicker when Jon Snow says Ed Stark is his dad. Great foreshadowing. Very subtle but very obvious in hindsight.
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There is a great scene in season 1 or 2 when Jon Snow is talking to Maester Aemon at Castle Black and Aemon reveals himself to be a Targaryen.

Aemon has a small snicker when Jon Snow says Ed Stark is his dad. Great foreshadowing. Very subtle but very obvious in hindsight.
So this guy who was at the wall for the entire rebellion knows that Jon is Rhaegar's son?

Even if he knew Lyanna was pregnant by Rhaegar, via raven, how would he just assume that connection?

Seems like a stretch.
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Old 07-07-2016, 09:22 AM   #1863
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There is a great scene in season 1 or 2 when Jon Snow is talking to Maester Aemon at Castle Black and Aemon reveals himself to be a Targaryen.

Aemon has a small snicker when Jon Snow says Ed Stark is his dad. Great foreshadowing. Very subtle but very obvious in hindsight.
Aemon would have absolutely zero insight into Jon's parentage. Snicker or not.
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Arya is really a normal teenager from a small town in England. The whole series is a daydream she had during math class. Kit Harington plays her mild mannered teacher who wakes her up. The Hound is really the janitor.
Or....

Tyrion is actually the children's book writer from Elf who drank himself into a ridiculous stupor and hallucinated the whole thing and now is going to see his writing take a dramatic shift in tone.
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Or....

Tyrion is actually the children's book writer from Elf who drank himself into a ridiculous stupor and hallucinated the whole thing and now is going to see his writing take a dramatic shift in tone.
Or....

The entire GoT universe is actually toe fungus under the big toe nail in a Lamisil commercial.
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So this guy who was at the wall for the entire rebellion knows that Jon is Rhaegar's son?

Even if he knew Lyanna was pregnant by Rhaegar, via raven, how would he just assume that connection?

Seems like a stretch.
Maybe benjin told him.
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Maybe benjin told him.
I feel like Ned and Howland Reed told no one. It's why the omniscient Littlefinger thing bothers me, how the hell would he know? If it's getting to the point where blind Aemon up at the wall knows, you'd definitely think Catelyn is going to be told too.
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Maybe benjin told him.
Does Benjen even know? There's no indication that even Catelyn knew. Howland Reed most likely knows because he was there. I'm skeptical as to whether Ned told anyone else.
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Or....

The entire GoT universe is actually toe fungus under the big toe nail in a Lamisil commercial.
Wasnt there some nonsense about the entire world being in the eyeball of some blue-eyed Giant? Maybe thats the ticket.
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I feel like Ned and Howland Reed told no one. It's why the omniscient Littlefinger thing bothers me, how the hell would he know? If it's getting to the point where blind Aemon up at the wall knows, you'd definitely think Catelyn is going to be told too.
We already know there were other people at the TOJ, hand maiden's to Lyanna. Knowing that Littlefinger has spys and connections it would not be out of the question that he would come into second hand information from one of these other people.
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We already know there were other people at the TOJ, hand maiden's to Lyanna. Knowing that Littlefinger has spys and connections it would not be out of the question that he would come into second hand information from one of these other people.
Nope. Deleted scene showed Ned massacring them.
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I feel like Ned and Howland Reed told no one. It's why the omniscient Littlefinger thing bothers me, how the hell would he know? If it's getting to the point where blind Aemon up at the wall knows, you'd definitely think Catelyn is going to be told too.
I assumed Littlefinger knew that the Rhaegar / Lyanna hookup was consensual, not the kidnap/rape that everyone was told (which is why he smirks when Sansa brings it up). I don't see evidence yet that he knows about Jon's true heritage.

as much as Littlefinger knows, there's still very large gaps in his intelligence, like that time he had no idea he was handing his precious Sansa over to a cartoony monster. it feels to me like Varys has more complete knowledge of current and past events than his rival does.
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Nope. Deleted scene showed Ned massacring them.
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I feel like Ned and Howland Reed told no one. It's why the omniscient Littlefinger thing bothers me, how the hell would he know? If it's getting to the point where blind Aemon up at the wall knows, you'd definitely think Catelyn is going to be told too.
There are referenced events in the show that spell out that things between rhaegar and lyanna were not what was commonly accepted. Littlefinger spells it out for us with Sansa about the winter roses, snubbing his own wife etc.

What Sir Barristan tells Danaerys about her brother serves to affirm what we have heard from Littlefinger.

There are obviously all sorts of secrets which are accepted by some and known by others. The plays that Arya watches give us a glimpse into this world as well, the official story is nowhere near the actual turn of events the viewer witnessed.

It wouldn't make sense for Littlefinger to tell Catelyn about Jon's parentage, that would serve to make Catelyn even more in love with Ned and we know that Baelish has always pined for Catelyn. It serves littlefinger's interest to now shroud that mystery for Sansa as well, referring to Jon as Ned's bastard when Jon as a daking inda norf is a threat to become more powerful than Baelish.

Bran now likely knows as well, and we know Bran isn't the only one who has the ability to see past and future events, we know Jojen Reed can do it as well as the three eyed raven and conceivably other wargs may have this ability as well.

It's also possible that the knights guarding the tower would've known as well as they likely would've been escorts to the tower for Lyanna and Rhaegar. Perhaps one of them mentioned it to a squire, friend, family member. Maybe it was written down somewhere in a king's guard book...

I mean, basically the whole show has been building around Jon and his parentage, and we've known from Season 1 that others have questioned it as well. It's not surprising that other people in Westeros might also know.
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I wasn't suggesting that it was Littlefinger telling Catelyn. I'm suggesting that if he's telling Benjen, who's telling Aemon Targaryen up at the wall, plus whoever Howland Reed is telling, Ned is probably going to tell his wife in that scenario. Especially since it appeared to eat her up for 18 years.

It's more likely they told no one.

Also that I basically hate the Littlefinger character at this point.
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What annoys me most about Littlefinger is his accent.
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wait is nik being serious about a deleted scene where teenage ned goes on a murder rampage at the ToJ? can't tell if sarcasm or not.
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