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Old 01-04-2026, 12:51 PM   #18721
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Okhotiuk was one.

Signing Sharangovich to his contract after just 1 season seems a bit short sighted now.

Clogging the top 9 with bodies which resulted in Zary/Coronato/Sharangovich being demoted to the 4th line and struggling to find their game.

Waiving Kuznetsov to keep Miromanov.
Aren't we just establishing every franchise is short sighted then?

Otherwise they have to be mistake free on every operational decision ever made.
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Old 01-04-2026, 12:52 PM   #18722
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Kadri can be traded to 18 teams which is not a lot of protection if the flames are ok with getting a passable return rather than a homerun. For an established and talented 2nd line center with a cup and what is now a pretty reasonable contract he 100% will have a market. The only power he really holds is timing. If he was smart he probably blocked all the teams with cap space to acquire him in season and so the flames will have trouble dealing him until the draft if he plays hardball - but even that can probably be mitigated to an extent if they retain.

Personally I dont think its adversarial to say to the player, hey we are rebuilding, business decision and we are likely going to exercise our right to trade you in the next 6 months do you want to look at any other teams or will it just be one of these 18 any more than it is adversarial for the player to use his 13 team no trade list. Both of them have rights they can use.

Coleman would seem to be much harder to move with only 10 teams as options, if he digs in and tries to block. But if ras and kadri are gone its hard to see a scenario where he doesnt want to go to a contender himself, he is a super competitive guy.

I think you trade ras first, then work on kadri and then see if coleman can be convinced.
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Old 01-04-2026, 12:52 PM   #18723
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When anyone (of any opinion) tries to prevent speculation in the trade and speculation thread it comes across as quite silly.
Don't confuse pointing out something is an opinion and not a fact as preventing speculation.
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Old 01-04-2026, 12:56 PM   #18724
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Sure, but how is anyone preventing speculation from other posters? Pretty sure everyone can post whatever they want. And then others can rebut, as they see fit.

If you post garbage, you're going to generate a lot of rebuttals - no one should be surprised by that.
I said tries to prevent speculating. Yeah we can all post whatever for the most part (agreed), some people try to diminish conversation by hinting at “waiting for all the facts” or “we don’t know what was offered”. There’s a handful of posters who do it regularly in a thread that is meant for speculating without knowing everything.

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Don't confuse pointing out something is an opinion and not a fact as preventing speculation.
You’re right, I think that’s happening a lot too and is leading to mix-ups and misunderstandings.
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Old 01-04-2026, 01:00 PM   #18725
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I like the part about Mantha and his bonus of $250,000 for every 10 games played. It was really too bad that his injury derailed him so hard last year and removed him as a trade chip for the Flames. But I am glad to see that he has hit 40 games this year and is on pace for a career season. Good for him.

Regarding the Flames news... I hope the list of teams in on Andersson is better than that. Dallas Stars, Florida Panthers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Detroit Red Wings and Los Angeles Kings.... it isn't a great list. The Red Wings are the only team that could be exciting to trade with but chances are they are one of the locations Andersson is least likely to go to for personal reasons.

We really need those teams to set the price and then have the Ducks or Sharks beat it.
I think Detroit or LA could offer a decent return. Tough to see much from the other teams as their pick and prospect depth has been depleted. Returns from Detroit and LA would likely be rental prices though.

Maybe something like this from either team:

From LA:
2026 1st round pick (lottery protected)
Liam Greentree
2026 2nd round pick

From Detroit:
2026 1st round pick (lottery protected)
Michael Brandsegg-Nygard
2026 2nd round pick

Would not consider either of those “A-level” prospects but they are definitely top 3 prospects from those teams. Unfortunately, both are wingers.
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The likelihood that Conroy did NOT talk to Kadri multiple times last season is nearly zero. Even if they do not have a regular meeting between the GM and one of the star players on the team, you would assume that they have some kind of touchpoint throughout the season to ensure alignment between the team strategy and Kadri's preferences.

Even further than that, knowing what we know about Conroy I think it is safe to assume that he talks to everyone on the NHL roster and coaching staff throughout the year. The guy likes to talk and it is a valuable asset in his GM toolbox.

These guys get paid 6-8 figure salaries. I highly doubt they do so and then have zero meetings on their calendars with the manager that signs the contracts.
We cannot dismiss the possibility that Conroy may have known that Kadri did not want to leave Calgary but found that out without talking to him and without the mechanism by which Kadri would leave Calgary (waiving the NMC). It could have been information that people knew without anyone ever asking Nazem.
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Old 01-04-2026, 01:03 PM   #18727
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None of those moves are short-sighted, they simply weren't good moves (in hindsight), or didn't work out.
And waiving Kuz didn't even work out badly in the end. People need to remember that at the time he had almost zero track record for other teams to go on.
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Old 01-04-2026, 01:05 PM   #18728
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We cannot dismiss the possibility that Conroy may have known that Kadri did not want to leave Calgary but found that out without talking to him and without the mechanism by which Kadri would leave Calgary (waiving the NMC). It could have been information that people knew without anyone ever asking Nazem.
Or Nazim and/or his agent approached Conroy and said "hey, I hear people are interested but don't even bother asking this year - that's why we have a NMC this year and a LNTC next year".

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Old 01-04-2026, 01:05 PM   #18729
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Nygard would be a dream scenario.
He’s beloved by Detroit.
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Danielson from Detroit would be just dandy. Don't much care about the periphal pieces that get Andersson to Det.


Man I feel like we've all talked all these teams to death over the last year. There's nothing new here.
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Old 01-04-2026, 01:12 PM   #18731
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Mantha and Barrie were adds. But they had a clear purpose that was neither contrary to the rebuild, nor short-sighted. Neither worked out as planned unfortunately, but that's how it goes.
I agree, they were meant as assets they would flip 2 years ago. Last year looked like it was supposed to be a rebuild year, but they pivoted a bit due to early season success.

This summer you couldn't really bring in more players, especially after an Andersson trade didn't materialize. They didn't even have the roster spots to bring back a Mantha type player.

Going into free agency:
Huberdeau - Kadri - Sharangovich
Coleman - Backlund - Coronato
Zary(RFA) - Frost - Farabee
Lomberg - Pospisil - Klapka
Kirkland(UFA), Honzek, Kerins*, Morton*

Bahl - Andersson
Hanley(UFA) - Weegar
Bean - Pachal
Miromanov, Solovyov, Kuznetsov*, Poirier*, Parekh

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Old 01-04-2026, 01:16 PM   #18732
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Danielson from Detroit would be just dandy. Don't much care about the periphal pieces that get Andersson to Det.


Man I feel like we've all talked all these teams to death over the last year. There's nothing new here.
I agree. Danielson would be the dream target but I think the red wings would covet him more than any other prospect at this point so I assume he would not be on the table. For the trade to get done, I would want the flames to get either Bear or Nygaard as the prospect coming back.
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Kadri can be traded to 18 teams which is not a lot of protection if the flames are ok with getting a passable return rather than a homerun. For an established and talented 2nd line center with a cup and what is now a pretty reasonable contract he 100% will have a market. The only power he really holds is timing. If he was smart he probably blocked all the teams with cap space to acquire him in season and so the flames will have trouble dealing him until the draft if he plays hardball - but even that can probably be mitigated to an extent if they retain.

Personally I dont think its adversarial to say to the player, hey we are rebuilding, business decision and we are likely going to exercise our right to trade you in the next 6 months do you want to look at any other teams or will it just be one of these 18 any more than it is adversarial for the player to use his 13 team no trade list. Both of them have rights they can use.

Coleman would seem to be much harder to move with only 10 teams as options, if he digs in and tries to block. But if ras and kadri are gone its hard to see a scenario where he doesnt want to go to a contender himself, he is a super competitive guy.

I think you trade ras first, then work on kadri and then see if coleman can be convinced.
Kadri can be traded to 18 teams without his concent. But while there is a market, you can bet the total number out of those teams that want/need/can afford him isn't 18. It's probably more like 3 or 4. The problem is that his list likely removes some contenders.
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Danielson from Detroit would be just dandy. Don't much care about the periphal pieces that get Andersson to Det.


Man I feel like we've all talked all these teams to death over the last year. There's nothing new here.
Just a few more pages and Conroy and Don will have all the sample trade proposals they need to go forward with and get the deals done.
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We cannot dismiss the possibility that Conroy may have known that Kadri did not want to leave Calgary but found that out without talking to him and without the mechanism by which Kadri would leave Calgary (waiving the NMC). It could have been information that people knew without anyone ever asking Nazem.
Or Kadri could have told him his preference is to stay in Calgary, but he would waive for Colorado and other teams if we ask.

We don't know, and can speculate all we want.
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Old 01-04-2026, 01:31 PM   #18736
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Aren't we just establishing every franchise is short sighted then?

Otherwise they have to be mistake free on every operational decision ever made.
Sure, every franchise makes short sighted moves.

And I'm not taking a shot at the Flames, more acknowledging they happen.

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Your question just reminded me of Warner's(Barn Burner) biggest criticism of Conroy which is extending guys too soon. He wasn't too happy about Sharangovich, Backlund, or Pospisil signing well in advance of their free agency.
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Kadri can be traded to 18 teams without his concent. But while there is a market, you can bet the total number out of those teams that want/need/can afford him isn't 18. It's probably more like 3 or 4. The problem is that his list likely removes some contenders.
There's also teams that just don't have the assets Conroy is interested in. He's not going to settle for return he doesn't really want and shouldn't.
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Sure, every franchise makes short sighted moves.

And I'm not taking a shot at the Flames, more acknowledging they happen.

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Your question just reminded me of Warner's(Barn Burner) biggest criticism of Conroy which is extending guys too soon. He wasn't too happy about Sharangovich, Backlund, or Pospisil signing well in advance of their free agency.
Warrener still lives in a $36mm cap world.

Those are nothing contracts these days. They are all easily tradeable if need be. You might not get much but they're just fungible contracts.
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Nygard would be a dream scenario.
He’s beloved by Detroit.
They can protect Nygard by sending Danielson in his place.

Actually, what is going on with Kasper? He has less points than Danielson with 14 more games played and sitting at -15. Maybe we ask for him while his value is low?
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I don’t love Kasper. Danielson is my target. I would do a 1 for 1 for him
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