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Old 01-18-2025, 11:59 AM   #18661
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You are very much misinformed, mis-characterizing things and misrepresenting what happened. A pipeline was never part of the NDP and was not proposed. One of the intentions of the program was to try to provide a more secure, domestic source of oil to the east but the transportation mechanism was never part of the plan.

It would be provided by a bucket brigade, perhaps?
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Old 01-18-2025, 11:59 AM   #18662
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I'm answering your relevant questions, expanded several times over, you just don't get it. Whether its willful ignorance, or plain lack of comprehension, I'm not entirely sure, but thats got nothing to do with me, what i am familiar with, or my experience. Thats all on you.

And cry all you want about mud slinging, you are right there in the muck with me.

Not much more to say.
You haven’t, actually. At best you’ve attempted to spin it into a question, likely because you haven’t actually put enough thought into your positions to intelligently back them up, but mostly you’re just giving wandering non-answers.

- How will others tariffs, but just not this one little one that Alberta cares about, “strengthen the relationship?”
- Explain how our pension and the RCMP are harming Alberta.
- Explain how the federal government giving money to municipalities in Alberta is harmful to Alberta.
- In a negotiation, how is one person who is not authorized to make any sort of terms going against the wishes of the people responsible for that negotiation and advocating for themselves not “undermining” the position?

These are all positions you brought up. If they’re not relevant, why did you bring them up?

You can keep repeating that I “just don’t get it” but it seems like there are a few people struggling to understand exactly what you’re trying to say and what your point is. But I’m sure you’re the smartest person in the room and everyone else is the problem. I’m sure it’s easier that way,
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What do reasonable, informed people think about the economics of Energy East in 2017?
Motte and Bailey fallacies are so tiresome
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Old 01-18-2025, 01:01 PM   #18664
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The NEP disagrees with you, "pipeline" is mentioned 19 times.









https://publications.gc.ca/collectio...2-80-4-eng.pdf
Roughneck and I were discussing oil to the east under the NEP and nothing mentions or discusses oil pipelines in the NEP publication. Oil would be stranded in Alberta. The program focused and discussed the need to replace oil with natural gas and build out the existing natural gas pipeline/distribution network.

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You haven’t, actually. At best you’ve attempted to spin it into a question, likely because you haven’t actually put enough thought into your positions to intelligently back them up, but mostly you’re just giving wandering non-answers.

- How will others tariffs, but just not this one little one that Alberta cares about, “strengthen the relationship?”
- Explain how our pension and the RCMP are harming Alberta.
- Explain how the federal government giving money to municipalities in Alberta is harmful to Alberta.
- In a negotiation, how is one person who is not authorized to make any sort of terms going against the wishes of the people responsible for that negotiation and advocating for themselves not “undermining” the position?

These are all positions you brought up. If they’re not relevant, why did you bring them up?

You can keep repeating that I “just don’t get it” but it seems like there are a few people struggling to understand exactly what you’re trying to say and what your point is. But I’m sure you’re the smartest person in the room and everyone else is the problem. I’m sure it’s easier that way,
Whether you like it or not, two things are true:

1. There is no "we" position as it relates to Canada. Albertas position is not in close alignment with Central Canada's, and often is in opposition to it. Undermining one is not necessarily the same as undermining the other and vice versa.

2. Alberta has leverage, the nature of which is yet to be determined. But it's not zero.
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Whether you like it or not, two things are true:

1. There is no "we" position as it relates to Canada. Albertas position is not in close alignment with Central Canada's, and often is in opposition to it. Undermining one is not necessarily the same as undermining the other and vice versa.

2. Alberta has leverage, the nature of which is yet to be determined. But it's not zero.
1. Your idea of "Alberta's position" does not represent a majority of Albertans, just the loudest ones.


2.Leverage for what? To #### over the rest of Canada? Ya, top notch plan, Danielle. Did you have an ####### brother who used to bully you, and you think acting like adversaries is the only way to deal with people who should be like family?
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Whether you like it or not, two things are true:

1. There is no "we" position as it relates to Canada. Albertas position is not in close alignment with Central Canada's, and often is in opposition to it. Undermining one is not necessarily the same as undermining the other and vice versa.

2. Alberta has leverage, the nature of which is yet to be determined. But it's not zero.
Yes, everyone is well aware of your opinion as you’ve stated it about 200 times over the past week. But as it’s been shown that you have a poor understanding of how things actually function and have been unwilling to rethink your position as those things have been patiently explained to you, your opinion is just much less interesting or worth addressing seriously at this point.
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Well we know who booked the limo... calgarygeologist lol


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The driver said he was picking someone up, but didn't know who. After about five minutes facing questions and video cameras, the driver slowly backed out of the lot.

The limo company later told CBC News they have no idea who booked the vehicle and all they had was the requester's phone number and they repeatedly didn't pick up.

Carney's campaign said they had nothing to do with it and had no idea who did.


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Stealing from a debt collection agency right off the bat? From Edmonton? No good.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1879995720046109161

https://twitter.com/user/status/1880037395107835971
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Stealing from a debt collection agency right off the bat? From Edmonton? No good.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1879995720046109161

https://twitter.com/user/status/1880037395107835971
Stealing logos is the Alberta government way, he’s just trying to connect with the electorate by doing something they passionately endorse.
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Well we know who booked the limo... calgarygeologist lol
It's amazing the length these liars will go through to fool their rubes into supporting their "journalism," yet even when it's right in front of their faces, they still insist on going to them for "news". No wonder they have no clue how the world works.
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It's amazing the length these liars will go through to fool their rubes into supporting their "journalism," yet even when it's right in front of their faces, they still insist on going to them for "news". No wonder they have no clue how the world works.
Even better. lol Keenan was bared from the presser. Only a loser would follow this piece of kyit.

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Even better. lol Keenan was bared from the presser. Only a loser would follow this piece of kyit.
LOL, the lying loser that got an exclusive year end interview with our premier, which I'm sure was a stunning show of good judgment, as she always has.


Seriously people, why do you get your news from people who you know blatantly lie to you? What's the point? Do you like being known as the ####s of the information world? Baffling.
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Stealing logos is the Alberta government way, he’s just trying to connect with the electorate by doing something they passionately endorse.
I am sure they fixed it/apologized pretty quickly. No good joking aside it's not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things just a little funny.
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Mark Canrney is in. Yay.

Rather it was MetCredit.

So I heard his wife is tight with Gerald Butts in a think tank or something similar. Need to look into.
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Mark Canrney is in. Yay.

Rather it was MetCredit.

So I heard his wife is tight with Gerald Butts in a think tank or something similar. Need to look into.

???

Are you posting from a potato?
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Are you posting from a potato?
A friend mentioned it in the context of not much daylight between Carney and Trudeau but I have no idea.

It will be interesting to learn about Carney in the next few weeks.

PP has some work to do now.
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I legitimately have no idea what you're trying to say here.





What is the point, then?
I'm trying to say, that while in some ways we have become slightly more independent, we are still very much dependent on the US market for our product. No matter how you slice it, 90% of our exported oil goes to one market. I'm not so concerned with why this is and how we got here "who's fault it is" because there is no one reason. The US is currently, and was in the past our, only customer. Not sure what you'd have done with the product if we weren't going to sell it to them. That being said, I acknowledge, that had the bandaid been ripped off in the past (and again, im not so concerned with why this didn't happen, only that it didn't happen), it likely means we have much larger capacity east and west now, and our position would be much better.

I'm trying to say, due to current circumstances, we need capacity to refine, and move our products both east and west, yesterday. Even if you don't believe the federal government played a major role in the scrapping of these projects, I'm sure you'd agree they sure didn't help. The economy and logistics of these projects were altered by legislation and rhetoric.

Im trying to say, I don't think there is a legitimate argument against having a more diverse set of markets competing for our products. That only happens one way while bypassing the US.

Hopefully that is more clear.
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Mark Canrney is in. Yay.

Rather it was MetCredit.

So I heard his wife is tight with Gerald Butts in a think tank or something similar. Need to look into.
If you are considered about Butts you don't need to be looking into Carney's wife's association because Butts is working on Carney's campaign. They have a direct, close connection already.
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75 convictions at just 32 and out on bail again doing more crime? Bail reform by the Federal government? Naw those are rookie numbers, go for at least 200 and maybe kill a family or two along the way.


https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...70-convictions

Suspect in wild Toronto cop car crash has 75 criminal convictions: 'Beyond frustrated'

TPA president says police are beyond frustrated at Ontario's broken bail system

George Sault, 32, of Toronto, has 75 criminal convictions against him.

He was out on bail facing trial for auto theft and flight from police charges stemming from a previous incident.


He said the system needs to focus on violent, repeat offenders who are frequent visitors to the revolving doors of Canadian justice.

“They need to be kept in custody,” he said. “We’re doing our part, and the federal government needs to do their part.”

“We lobby to the federal level for the entire seven years I’ve been here,” Campbell said.



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