2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Useful, contributing players are almost never moved by buyers in deadline deals. The playoffs are a grind, and GMs of teams looking to make a run put tremendous importance on depth.

Exactly. Contending teams do not want to subtract from their roster. They simply want to add to it. That means guys like Frederic or O’Connor are very likely not on the table. It’s cap dumps from those teams or Salary retention from Calgary that will be the way these teams make it work.

I still think the more realistic return for Lindholm (50% retained) from Colorado is 2024 1st + Ryan Johansen (salary dump) + Calum Ritchie or Mikhail Gulyayev… and that’s a solid return for Lindholm. Would be great to also get a 2nd round pick but it might be tough to get that considering the season he is having. If he was on pace for >65 points, I think you get that 2nd round pick in there as well.

[Blaster86]

So it sounds like Kuzmenko is probably going to be moved soon. Reading the skeins that are internet rumours, it doesn't sound like it is going to be part of a bigger deal.

If the Canucks are looking for Lindholm still, and say they can do it with no cap retention/cap dump how much more appealing does that make a deal for him if they do it sooner than later? Giving the Flames more cap space they can weaponize going into the dead line. Does that make a deal more valuable or not really change the equation?

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He was not a second paring guy for the Blues, he played with Pietrangelo, including playing on the Olympic team.

Didn't he play more with Parayko on that run in a shut down role? Important role, but he was not the man there. He was more their #3 at the time.

[trackercowe]

Curious question. Assuming the Flames move Lindholm, Hanafin, and Tanev before the deadline. Who will be the likely targets moved next year? I assume Markstrom would be one, and possibly Coleman; are there any other obvious targets. Would the Flames move Backlund, even though they made him captain?

I would LOVE for the Flames to start going the one year route and sign players to one year rental deals with the idea of moving them at the deadline. That's something they've never really done. I hope with the change in management they start using newer approaches that other teams often use.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

So it sounds like Kuzmenko is probably going to be moved soon. Reading the skeins that are internet rumours, it doesn't sound like it is going to be part of a bigger deal.

If the Canucks are looking for Lindholm still, and say they can do it with no cap retention/cap dump how much more appealing does that make a deal for him if they do it sooner than later? Giving the Flames more cap space they can weaponize going into the dead line. Does that make a deal more valuable or not really change the equation?

Not requiring retention makes the deal more attractive for the Flames, obviously, but the flip side to that is that it would also (presumably) reduce the return.

The actual cost to the Flames of retaining half his salary (if a trade happened today) would be just under $1M. The cap opportunity equates to roughly $2M in salary. So the question, from the Flames' perspective would be, is the difference between a retention trade, and the trade with the Nucks without retention, worth the difference? Could they make it up, using that $2M of cap space elsewhere?

Tough to say, because there are no guarantees they could redeploy it. If it were my decision, I would go for the best return, period. Presumably that means trade to someone with retention.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Conroy said publicly they didn't want to use the retention slot in the Zadorov trade to retain that spot for future moves.

Great, thanks for confirming, Bingo. Interesting because the rumours out of Vancouver are that the Canucks are shopping both Kuzmenko and Zadorov to clear cap space, which makes me wonder if they are doing this to bring in a guy like Lindholm if maybe it's the same situation as the Zadorov case where they don't want to retain on Lindholm and would rather retain on other contracts they plan to move out.

EDIT - though hopefully the Lindholm trade isn't to Vancouver. Kuzmenko rode a killer shooting percentage last season and was signed to a bad contract by Allvin who thought his production was legit. Also not interested in either Hoglander or Podkolzin...

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Great, thanks for confirming, Bingo. Interesting because the rumours out of Vancouver are that the Canucks are shopping both Kuzmenko and Zadorov to clear cap space, which makes me wonder if they are doing this to bring in a guy like Lindholm if maybe it's the same situation as the Zadorov case where they don't want to retain on Lindholm and would rather retain on other contracts they plan to move out.

I don't believe the rumours that they are shopping Zadorov UNLESS they have a deal lined up for a replacement already in place.

Originally Posted by activeStick

EDIT - though hopefully the Lindholm trade isn't to Vancouver. Kuzmenko rode a killer shooting percentage last season and was signed to a bad contract by Allvin who thought his production was legit. Also not interested in either Hoglander or Podkolzin...

He wasn't signed to a bad contract. There's a reason it was only two years. You can't not sign Kuzmenko after bringing him in and him putting up almost 40. No one expected him to put up 40 again, but 5mil for 50-60 points riding shot gun with Pettersson was not outrageous. He fell even further than he should have.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Curious question. Assuming the Flames move Lindholm, Hanafin, and Tanev before the deadline. Who will be the likely targets moved next year? I assume Markstrom would be one, and possibly Coleman; are there any other obvious targets. Would the Flames move Backlund, even though they made him captain?

I would LOVE for the Flames to start going the one year route and sign players to one year rental deals with the idea of moving them at the deadline. That's something they've never really done. I hope with the change in management they start using newer approaches that other teams often use.

Mangiapane maybe

[activeStick]

Agree to disagree on it not being a bad contract, since if it weren't and he was providing fair value at the price, they wouldn't be looking to move him out to make the team better. Term is good, dollar is bad. Very whale team bad.

[stemit14]

Can anyone remember the last time a contending team traded for a UFA at the TDL while giving up a contributing younger player like O’Connor or Frederic? I really can’t remember one. It’s always minor league players, picks, prospects and cap dumps in the form of under-performing players.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Agree to disagree on it not being a bad contract, since if it weren't and he was providing fair value at the price, they wouldn't be looking to move him out to make the team better. Term is good, dollar is bad. Very whale team bad.

So you think they should have just let him go in UFA?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I don't believe the rumours that they are shopping Zadorov UNLESS they have a deal lined up for a replacement already in place.



He wasn't signed to a bad contract. There's a reason it was only two years. You can't not sign Kuzmenko after bringing him in and him putting up almost 40. No one expected him to put up 40 again, but 5mil for 50-60 points riding shot gun with Pettersson was not outrageous. He fell even further than he should have.

The Kuzmenko contract being only 2 years probably doesn't even make the top 25 worst contracts in the NHL.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Can anyone remember the last time a contending team traded for a UFA at the TDL while giving up a contributing younger player like O’Connor or Frederic? I really can’t remember one. It’s always minor league players, picks, prospects and cap dumps in the form of under-performing players.

Well I wouldn't say O'Connor is that young. But at most teams might do a Nick Paul for Matthieu Joseph swap where they get the better young player.

The Jeannot deal was a haul. But it was 4 draft picks and what amounts to a 0 value player in Cal Foote. So the value is in getting picks. I know I'd rather had had two 5th round picks in place of Kenny Agostino or Ben Hanowski today.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Can anyone remember the last time a contending team traded for a UFA at the TDL while giving up a contributing younger player like O’Connor or Frederic? I really can’t remember one. It’s always minor league players, picks, prospects and cap dumps in the form of under-performing players.

I want to believe there is some way we can pry Byram out of Colorado but yea it's likely a pipedream.

Colorado has solid defensive depth and all they really need is a top 6 C, backup goalie and to dump Johanson. Possibly add a depth D if they did trade Byram.

We could theoretically provide all of those things..

But yea pipedream..

[OILFAN #81]

Frank Seravalli was on a podcast today and in his opinion said he could see someone like Sean Monahan going to the Oilers to play in the 3rd line center role as the AAV is low and the acquisition cost wouldn't be like what it is for Lindholm.

[Samonadreau]

I never do trade proposals, but whats the thoughts on

To Colorado
Lindholm (25% retained)
Tanev (25% retained)

To Calgary
Byram
Johansen
Calum Ritchie
2024 1st
2025 3rd

[Mass_nerder]

I'm going to be sad if Monahan goes to the Oilers or the Knights.
Anywhere else and I'll be happy for him.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I never do trade proposals, but whats the thoughts on

To Colorado
Lindholm (25% retained)
Tanev (25% retained)

To Calgary
Byram
Johansen
Calum Ritchie
2024 1st
2025 3rd

I'd do that in a second but the Avs won't

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I'm going to be sad if Monahan goes to the Oilers or the Knights.
Anywhere else and I'll be happy for him.

I think he'd be a good Ranger

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I'd do that in a second but the Avs won't

Fair enough I may be giving Johansen too much negative value. He is negative vlaue tho for sure, and likely need to be moved for cap space for any big swing.