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Old 03-15-2025, 12:17 AM   #1841
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Military jets today?
Also in Richmond B.C. today
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Old 03-18-2025, 12:25 PM   #1842
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Do you want ~10 minutes of hot crosswind action from March 9th? Yeah you do!

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Old 03-18-2025, 01:51 PM   #1843
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Do you want ~10 minutes of hot crosswind action from March 9th? Yeah you do!

That has to be hard on the landing gear, no? Also those Q400's look so awkward with those long skinny legs. Looks like trying to land a giraffe.
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Old 03-20-2025, 08:11 AM   #1844
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The TSB has released their preliminary report on the Endeavor Air crash at YYZ:

https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-r...eliminary.html

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Less than 1 second before touchdown, the aircraft’s indicated airspeed was 134 knots, and its ground speed was 111 knots. The bank angle was 7.1° to the right, and the pitch attitude was 1° nose up. The rate of descent was recorded as 1110 fpm.

At 1412:43.6, the right main landing gear (MLG) contacted the runway. The aircraft was in a 7.5° bank to the right with 1° of nose-up pitch and 3g vertical acceleration, at a rate of descent of approximately 1098 fpm (18.3 fps).
For our "heavy metal" drivers here, thoughts on the 3g touchdown?

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Old 03-20-2025, 08:27 AM   #1845
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Quick googling because I have no experience and was curious what a good landing decent rate was.


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For a Boeing I came across this document which has the following speeds:
  • 60-120 fpm is normal.
  • >240 fpm is considered a hard landing
  • >360 fpm: risking damage if aircraft is overweight.
  • >600 fpm: please don't.
https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/6...anding-ie-fpm/


OK, so well above "please don't", which may or may not be official flyboy terminology.
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Old 03-20-2025, 08:35 AM   #1846
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I flew a Citabria a few times out of YBW, it was aerobatic which meant it also has a little g-meter in it. Was always interesting to see what kind of reading you got on it if you put her down a little harder than normal. Never saw anything like 3g's though. Maybe 1.5 at the most.
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Old 03-20-2025, 03:52 PM   #1847
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I flew a Citabria a few times out of YBW, it was aerobatic which meant it also has a little g-meter in it. Was always interesting to see what kind of reading you got on it if you put her down a little harder than normal. Never saw anything like 3g's though. Maybe 1.5 at the most.
Nice humble brag Bigtime, greased the landing every time! .
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Old 03-20-2025, 05:57 PM   #1848
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i had to look it up but greater than 2.6 G OR greater than 600 Ft per min are considered HARD Landings -- exceeding the design load (1.5G)

https://skybrary.aero/articles/hard-...um%20for%20the


reading the TSB prelim finding was this

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At 1412:30, while the aircraft was descending through 153 feet AGL, its indicated airspeed increased to 154 knots whereas the ground speed did not change appreciably, consistent with a performance-increasing wind gust. The PF pulled back the thrust levers, and as a result, over the following 5 seconds, N1 decreased from 64% to approximately 43%, where it remained until touchdown. The airspeed began to decrease.
Note: the phrase "performance-increasing wind gust" is referring to a wind shear situation

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Old 03-20-2025, 06:07 PM   #1849
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G load on landing, while there is a way of seeing it, isn’t something normally looked at. I seem to recall that 1.2-1.5 was kind of a normal range, but haven’t monitored that in a long time.

Vertical speed on the other hand, a normal descent rate below 1000 feet is 700-800 feet per minute, then of course flaring to reduce it to something very low at touchdown. Nearly 1100 feet per minute is high coming down the slope, and crazy high for touchdown.
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Old 03-20-2025, 06:25 PM   #1850
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So it's basically just what it looked like, a super hard landing on one gear, collapsing it.

I'll be curious to see the control inputs once they're analyzed.
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Old 03-20-2025, 06:49 PM   #1851
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Nice humble brag Bigtime, greased the landing every time! .
Ha! I had a few porpoises in the mighty 172 when I was first learning.

My best butter in those days was a high speed approach and landing with no flaps onto runway 16 at YYC and exit left at the end to the flight school.
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Old 03-20-2025, 07:01 PM   #1852
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Bah all you power pilots who have an engine to save you if you mess up your landing.

Us glider pilots can't just go-around!

(Disclaimer: I haven't flown a glider in like 30 years)
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Heathrow closed for the day because of a power outage
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg5dg4p2l0o
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Heathrow closed for the day because of a power outage
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg5dg4p2l0o
Sucks for the folks flying AC851 yesterday, almost 6 hours in the air just to end up back in YYC.

https://www.flightaware.com/live/fli...040Z/CYYC/CYYC
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Old 03-21-2025, 10:57 AM   #1855
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Sucks for the folks flying AC851 yesterday, almost 6 hours in the air just to end up back in YYC.

https://www.flightaware.com/live/fli...040Z/CYYC/CYYC
Ooof. That would be rough.
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Old 03-21-2025, 03:26 PM   #1856
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Ooof. That would be rough.
Especially if you slept through the announcement.
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A tour helicopter lost its main rotor and plunged into the Hudson River today. A Spanish family of five, including three kids, were lost along with the pilot. This had to be terrifying.

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A tour helicopter lost its main rotor and plunged into the Hudson River today. A Spanish family of five, including three kids, were lost along with the pilot. This had to be terrifying.

Helicopters man, just a flying anvil and when the whirling pieces stop or come apart it’s a mess. Spent a lot of time in them for work, I just don’t care for them.
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Just heard that Hornet take off from YYC, holy those things are loud and I'm downtown in East Village...

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Old 04-14-2025, 09:49 AM   #1860
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Just heard that Hornet take off from YYC, holy those things are loud and I'm downtown in East Village...

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=c2bdcd

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Huh, that's the first time I've seen a CF-18 show up on ADS-B Exchange, nice!
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