[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[badradio]

I'm hoping not bringing the cup to Calgary still haunts Sutter and he will come back to rectify it.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

So Treliving owes everybody a refund on their tickets out of his own pocket?

Gee, I thought some Flames fans had an overgrown sense of entitlement, but I guess I was wrong.

Not at all. We were talking about being nice. I have no expectation of that. I do have an expectation of the organization to be accountable to season ticket holders.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

This is really just semantics.

The point I'm making is that this isn't anywhere close to a finished product, so the comment:

is beyond ridiculous.

I wasn't happy with this season at all. But that doesn't mean I was in a huff demanding someone tells me the coach is fired within 48 hours of the season ending or making sensational comments about possibly blowing things up again.

Agreed. Locke has been a little over the top in the last few days.

I think those who say the rebuild is over are right.

However if someone thinks the team has peaked then they'd be wrong. Several of our core players are young and several of them are REALLY young. Treliving still has a lot of potentially expendable assets to supplement the core.

The future is still bright for this core group IMO. I think the coaching change will help. I think assets can be dealt to supplement the core. The sky is not falling. There's no need to talk of blowing it up.

Locke seems to be having an emotional response if I had to guess.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

Not to be rude but nice to me would be to get my time/money back for this terrible season I had to endure. I'm looking for answers and playing your cards close to your chest when you had complete failure doesn't really suit any end.

As a GM he can't tell the fans specifically why the coach was fired out of being nice to the outgoing coach? I guess it will be a process to see why he is leading the charge of blame and the coach was a great coach but had to go.

when you buy a ticket for a hockey game, all you're entitled to is a seat at the game

this post sucks

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont want to blow it up. Unless we're sure that this whole thing didnt work and I dont think we're at that point.

I genuinely feel that this is a good team that would succeed with a better coach.

Fair enough. I don't think we're anywhere near being able to discern the whole thing (and I assume that includes the young core) didn't work. That will take time.

I agree about the coach. I was on the fence until the middle of this season and then it seemed like a different voice / temperament would be more ideal.

I suspect if they find that, we'll see growth.

[cupofjoe]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

Not to be rude but nice to me would be to get my time/money back for this terrible season I had to endure. I'm looking for answers and playing your cards close to your chest when you had complete failure doesn't really suit any end.

As a GM he can't tell the fans specifically why the coach was fired out of being nice to the outgoing coach? I guess it will be a process to see why he is leading the charge of blame and the coach was a great coach but had to go.

Holy victim talk.....

[Racki]

I’m not sure exactly why I don’t want Bill Peters but I don’t. This is starting to feel like when Gulutzan’s name kept coming up two years ago. I/we all thought that hiring Glen Gulutzan made no sense and couldn’t possibly happen. Then it happened and it turned out just like I/we thought it would.

[Machiavelli]

I feel badly for the all the guys who lost their jobs today, but I've had issues with Gulutzan essentially from the jump. This had to happen and I'm hopeful they will make a better decision moving forward.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Racki

I’m not sure exactly why I don’t want Bill Peters ...

His coaching record, perhaps?

[colbym72]

I don't think we should pretend we know anything about Peters. Yes the record is questionable but there is more to evaluate

[Racki]

I’m not sure exactly why I don’t want Bill Peters but I don’t. This is starting to feel like when Gulutzan’s name kept coming up two years ago. I/we all thought that hiring Glen Gulutzan made no sense and couldn’t possibly happen. Then it happened and it turned out just like I/we thought it would.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Basically he's said

We're outchancing opponents, why aren't we outscoring? He asked if it's lack of physical or mental finishing ability, didn't mention system at all. That's pretty concerning to me.

Not me. I truly don't think system was the issue. This same system works in many teams, some of which resemble Calgary. It is, to me, a matter of executing the system well, not just barely, which means, for example, moving up as a five man unit quickly like Vegas, not slow and methodically like Calgary. It means sticking with the system that has you dominating games early and not moving away from it because a goal against the flow of play goes in, which is what Gio basically said would happen in his post season comments.

And if the PP gets better even to a mid level one, the scorers get more room and the system works even better.

All of this doesn't mean GG was a great coach or the right coach - those complaints are coaching issues. But maybe he was too nice or lacked credibility. Babcock, it's said, runs a system pretty much like his predecessor in Toronto. He's just listened to better (plus he has Matthews).

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by colbym72

...Peters. Yes the record is questionable but there is more to evaluate

This line of thinking has led to Gulutzan's hiring.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by stone hands

when you buy a ticket for a hockey game, all you're entitled to is a seat at the game

this post sucks

82 seats for 10 years. I have no expectation after the transaction except for an organization willing to be accountable and exceed mediocrity.

The original point of my post was that I was hoping BT could shed some light on the scenario.

[iamca]

Very happy about the change in coaching staff and even more pleased that it happened as quickly as it did (lightning fast for Brad "The Process" Treliving).

This team needs more than a new coaching staff, it needs a culture shift. People have argued that everything is fine with the culture, but winning in this league is really challenging as is consistency year to year.

To me, stay the course means everyone is okay with mediocrity inside the organization.

Is the team a glass half empty or half full scenario? To me with the current core, some solid hockey trades, and the prospects that are on the cusp of being NHL players, the team glass is more than half full.

The organization is tougher if you think about the ownership, but without it I think Tre and BB hate losing and mediocrity. How to change this is more challenging, but if teams like Colorado go from last place in the league to WC and have already 1 game against the Preds, means a lot can change from one season to the next.

My nickels worth...

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

82 seats for 10 years. I have no expectation after the transaction except for an organization willing to be accountable and exceed mediocrity.

The original point of my post was that I was hoping BT could shed some light on the scenario.

hey i have season tickets too and i have no delusions that the flames owe me anything more than have 2 hockey teams play at the scheduled time

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

82 seats for 10 years. I have no expectation after the transaction except for an organization willing to be accountable and exceed mediocrity.

The original point of my post was that I was hoping BT could shed some light on the scenario.

Should every team exceed mediocrity?

I suspect Treliving isn't going to go into detail because it affects both interviews and negotiations with candidates.

[Enoch Root]

The change had to be made. Period. Those saying things like "careful what you wish for"... good god, what a bad take. The change had to be made. Now it is Treliving's job to find a good replacement. If he doesn't, that is on him, but it doesn't change that this was the right decision.

Gulutzan seems like a great guy and I wish him the best.

As for the potential replacements, I don't know much about Peters, and won't pretend to, but I will say this: I don't want a possession coach; I don't want a system like this last one where defense means backing up and filling lanes. I want a team that plays like Boston and Vegas. I want a team that attacks the puck carrier. I want a team that plays an up-tempo, aggressive style.

I don't know who that is, and I am sure I care. I just want a better playing style. I think that means AV, but I am open to seeing what plays out.

[kyuss275]

What does gelinas do that he escapes firings?

[troutman]

How much blame do you assign to coaching, and how much on the talent?

I'd say 30/70. And that's enough for a coaching change. But I think we have other big problems.