The Ongoing Dog Attack Mega-Thread

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yeah. It's really not that tough. In a generation they're gone. Over several generations their traits are diluted. It's really that simple.

so then all those backyard breeders that will no stop breeding, their dogs get taken or euthanized if found out?

Tell me how this has worked in other places?

[Table 5]

I think the answer is pretty easy. Every dog over a certain height (or perhaps just EVERY dog if you want to make it even simpler) should be required to wear a muzzle when out in public. They do it in a lot of countries in Europe, and I think it works well.

If we do this, I think it would perhaps allow the loosening of laws in other ways (ie. more off-leash opportunities).

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I think the answer is pretty easy. Every dog over a certain height (or perhaps just EVERY dog if you want to make it even simpler) should be required to wear a muzzle when out in public. They do it in a lot of countries in Europe, and I think it works well.

If we do this, I think it would perhaps allow the loosening of laws in other ways (ie. more off-leash opportunities).

These killers escaped the yard and mauled the poor lady.

Just get them the eff out of here!

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I think the answer is pretty easy. Every dog over a certain height (or perhaps just EVERY dog if you want to make it even simpler) should be required to wear a muzzle when out in public. They do it in a lot of countries in Europe, and I think it works well.

If we do this, I think it would perhaps allow the loosening of laws in other ways (ie. more off-leash opportunities).

This is dumb and wouldn’t have stopped this attack.


I can get behind a pit bull ban based off the many reasons already laid out by others. But I still think the same issue will be there: dumb and incompetent humans as usual.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

These killers escaped the yard and mauled the poor lady.

Just get them the eff out of here!

I just meant in a general day-to day sense. You're right though that in this instance it wouldn't have helped.

I'm all for banning bully dogs as well.

[Coach]

Prefacing this with an open mind about what people truly expect can be done. I see why people compare it to the gun issue but I think it’s quite different for a few reasons.

A gun isn’t a living thing with rights. Not human rights, but some legal protections against inhumane treatment.

People that have guns can’t make more guns by putting 2 guns together.

You can’t train a gun to not fire. You can put a safety on, but it can be unlocked, and you can train a gun owner, but not stop someone else from being able to use it.

I agree it’s a problem to be solved, but it’s not a panic button issue IMO. It’s violent and tragic, but rare and people die a lot more from a lot of other preventable things. This is not the epidemic that gun violence is in the US.

Practically I think you could have a ban on new breeding, a license for having dangerous breed (maybe a few others should be added?) and harsh penalties for being caught with a breed without a proper license, maybe jail time for breeding.

The breed(s) would likely be gone within a few generations and animals that are already out there don’t have to… I don’t know? I’m genuinely curious what people think should happen to these dogs under a pure ban, even with grandfathered ownership. And mixed breeds as well.

Honestly breeding in general probably needs some form of strict oversight and population control. Not sure how you’d deal with that. Have no clue what goes into “proper” dog breeding.

Maybe you don’t get to have a dog if you’ve had a Redbull (or some other equivalent drink) in the last 48hrs?

[karl262]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Dangling any dog with “this would never happen” is nonsense and directly related to the problem being discussed.



So it’s cool if a goldendoodle bites a kids face and permanently scars them?

I'm perfectly willing to admit being wrong if you can show me some data of a goldendoodle mauling and killing a human. However I probably should have said "I don't think this would ever happen" instead of "this would never happen".

To answer your question, no, that would not be cool at all in any way and at no point did I suggest such a silly thing.

What are your thoughts on pit bulls?

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by Weitz

This is dumb and wouldn’t have stopped this attack.


I can get behind a pit bull ban based off the many reasons already laid out by others. But I still think the same issue will be there: dumb and incompetent humans as usual.

Getting rid of these would go a long way to solving many of our problems.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Coach

The breed(s) would likely be gone within a few generations and animals that are already out there don’t have to… I don’t know? I’m genuinely curious what people think should happen to these dogs under a pure ban, even with grandfathered ownership. And mixed breeds as well.

Honestly breeding in general probably needs some form of strict oversight and population control. Not sure how you’d deal with that. Have no clue what goes into “proper” dog breeding.

Pretty to take cues from any one of the countries that already have these types of bans in place. Do as they do in Australia: place heavy restrictions on current owners (specific enclosures, muzzles, registration, specific collars, etc) and make both breeding and accepting restricted breeds against the law. Punishment for current owners who violent restrictions or those who breed/buy/etc range from thousands in fines to 5 years in jail, with the dog being seized and destroyed.

Seems to make sense.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by karl262

I'm perfectly willing to admit being wrong if you can show me some data of a goldendoodle mauling and killing a human. However I probably should have said "I don't think this would ever happen" instead of "this would never happen".

To answer your question, no, that would not be cool at all in any way and at no point did I suggest such a silly thing.

What are your thoughts on pit bulls?

I don’t see how there is any reason pit bulls should be owned. No more breeding, no more buying.

My thoughts on dogs in general is that they should all be treated as domesticated animals… because they are. They are dangerous. Any one of them can be. There is no reason for any person to be bit by someone’s pet. And I know more than enough who have been, or who’s dogs (always ‘great breeds’ that “don’t bite”) have bit someone else. And we’re rightly put down. Anytime someone makes a broad generalization about a breed type or size of dog being inherently “safe”, they should be called on it. Poor dog ownership has been on a significant rise.

[Knut]

I think the problem will get worse with everyone getting pets during the pandemic and not having the resources around to look after them proper.

I think about my community and how much more dog crap is just laying around vs before the pandemic.

Dog ownership should require a course and an exam. If you are too dumb to pass the exam you are too dumb to care for a dog.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Coach

Prefacing this with an open mind about what people truly expect can be done. I see why people compare it to the gun issue but I think it’s quite different for a few reasons.

A gun isn’t a living thing with rights. Not human rights, but some legal protections against inhumane treatment.

People that have guns can’t make more guns by putting 2 guns together.

You can’t train a gun to not fire. You can put a safety on, but it can be unlocked, and you can train a gun owner, but not stop someone else from being able to use it.

I agree it’s a problem to be solved, but it’s not a panic button issue IMO. It’s violent and tragic, but rare and people die a lot more from a lot of other preventable things. This is not the epidemic that gun violence is in the US.

Practically I think you could have a ban on new breeding, a license for having dangerous breed (maybe a few others should be added?) and harsh penalties for being caught with a breed without a proper license, maybe jail time for breeding.

The breed(s) would likely be gone within a few generations and animals that are already out there don’t have to… I don’t know? I’m genuinely curious what people think should happen to these dogs under a pure ban, even with grandfathered ownership. And mixed breeds as well.

Honestly breeding in general probably needs some form of strict oversight and population control. Not sure how you’d deal with that. Have no clue what goes into “proper” dog breeding.

Maybe you don’t get to have a dog if you’ve had a Redbull (or some other equivalent drink) in the last 48hrs?

You know, I did some more research on this, starting with New Zealand's ban on bully breeds. It looks like places that have implemented breed bans, have not seen a decline in incidents that they were expecting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-...ic_legislation

I have somewhat switched my thinking to ownership level restrictions. Things like mandatory training for certain breeds possibly. Implement actual severe penalties to the owners for even a simple bite and start enforcing them. How many times have we seen a death and the only thing that happens is the dog is put down. Go after that owner, they are the just as guilty here. Make people think "Is this the right dog to get since if something goes wrong with it, I'll be responsible both criminally and financially?"

[Locke]

Wait, wait, wait....

Ban Bully Breeds?

Is not the solution to have more Bully Breed dogs?

Then they can defend us!

Wait....this isnt the Mass Shooting Thread....

[pseudoreality]

You should need a special license to breed dogs. It should be illegal for anyone in the general public to own an unsterilized dog over a certain age.
Over time, that should solve a lot of problems.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

You know, I did some more research on this, starting with New Zealand's ban on bully breeds. It looks like places that have implemented breed bans, have not seen a decline in incidents that they were expecting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-...ic_legislation

I have somewhat switched my thinking to ownership level restrictions. Things like mandatory training for certain breeds possibly. Implement actual severe penalties to the owners for even a simple bite and start enforcing them. How many times have we seen a death and the only thing that happens is the dog is put down. Go after that owner, they are the just as guilty here. Make people think "Is this the right dog to get since if something goes wrong with it, I'll be responsible both criminally and financially?"

Yeah honestly would have no problem with a general license to own a dog no different than a car. Any dog. You may think your little happy a-hole is harmless but it’s not and can provoke larger dogs.

Take a weekend course an exam. Put any funds from this and penalties into the SPCA.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

You know, I did some more research on this, starting with New Zealand's ban on bully breeds. It looks like places that have implemented breed bans, have not seen a decline in incidents that they were expecting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-...ic_legislation

I have somewhat switched my thinking to ownership level restrictions. Things like mandatory training for certain breeds possibly. Implement actual severe penalties to the owners for even a simple bite and start enforcing them. How many times have we seen a death and the only thing that happens is the dog is put down. Go after that owner, they are the just as guilty here. Make people think "Is this the right dog to get since if something goes wrong with it, I'll be responsible both criminally and financially?"

To be fair, the studies in the link you provided were focused on bite incidents as opposed to actual fatalities. The 2000 CDC study concluded that fatal attacks are a breed specific problem (pit-bull, rottweiler). It seems there is some debate about that given the lack of adequate sample size. That being said, if we are focusing on fatalities only and not just bites, it seems like a ban of certain breeds still makes sense.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by pseudoreality

You should need a special license to breed dogs. It should be illegal for anyone in the general public to own an unsterilized dog over a certain age.
Over time, that should solve a lot of problems.

A lot of good ideas in here. Also, liability insurance should be mandatory.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

To be fair, the studies in the link you provided were focused on bite incidents as opposed to actual fatalities. The 2000 CDC study concluded that fatal attacks are a breed specific problem (pit-bull, rottweiler). It seems there is some debate about that given the lack of adequate sample size. That being said, if we are focusing on fatalities only and not just bites, it seems like a ban of certain breeds still makes sense.

Right, but then you will just have other breeds being the main culprits, like cane corso or mastiff, possibly shepherds. This has happened in other countries/cities with pitbull type dog bans.

I like the idea of doing training classes, but someone would have to setup a whole infrastructure to do this and with the minimal deaths from dogs (1 to 2 in Canada annually), I can't see any sort of government taking on that responsibility and cost. People can smoke and eat substantial amounts of fast food without anyone intervening, even though these things kill thousands of people annually here.

I like the muzzle idea, being out in public, but when dogs are in their yards and escape and maul someone to death, those people need to see jail time.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Coach

Yeah honestly would have no problem with a general license to own a dog no different than a car. Any dog. You may think your little happy a-hole is harmless but it’s not and can provoke larger dogs.



Take a weekend course an exam. Put any funds from this and penalties into the SPCA.

I would bet little dogs bite more people than large ones. People tend to accept little dogs biting. I realize little dogs are unlikely to kill someone but I've seen and experienced nasty bites from little dogs. The good thing is you can slam dunk a little arsehole dog once you get his teeth out of you (half joking and I am a dog person)

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

How many times have we seen a death and the only thing that happens is the dog is put down. Go after that owner, they are the just as guilty here. "

Agreed, the owners should be put down as well.