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Old 02-06-2024, 05:14 PM   #1841
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I think those who criticize a GM should say what should have been done instead. But you’d have made Gaudreau around the 10th highest paid player in the league when it looked like he’d peaked 2 seasons before?

Tkachuk wanted $9M at least, hence his QO season number.

I’m not criticizing the move, so I don’t have to say what should have been done.
Gaudreau would not have been the 10th highest paid player in the league at the number I had, he might have been somewhere in the 20th-30th. Even then, that would've been a max number, If it was me, I would've tried to get him somewhere in the $8.5M-$8.75M range with considerable signing bonuses.

Ultimately, I had predicted that Gaudreau would be a 100 point player prior to start of the 21-22 season, so naturally, paying him in upper echelon of players wouldn't have been an issue for me anyway regardless if his number started with an 8 or a 9. Ditto for Tkachuk. Superstars typically aren't the ones that burn you, it's always the guys in-between that you have to be careful about. One or 2 bad albatross contracts hurts way more than overpaying a few extra thousand for your franchise star(s).
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Old 02-06-2024, 05:21 PM   #1842
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It's tough to know without knowing what the exact asks were.

My thought at the time was under $8M they should re-sign him without hesitation, $8-9M ask it would come down to what the return was on the trade market for him, and $9M+ they should have traded him.

In the end I still feel like that would been the right approach...but more and more I think they shouldn't hand out any 8 year contracts to players 29 or older unless you are sure they are true elite players.

Also not sure it's been posted yet but here's the first Kuzmenko interview from practice today - https://www.nhl.com/flames/video/kuz...-6346311038112
Yeah that's why I'm hesitant to bring up any numbers at all. Nobody knows the exact asks as you say, so anything I say can come off poorly to someone regardless of what I say.

All I know is, 2021 was the one shot the organization had and they blew it. Pat Steinberg even said it himself a couple weeks ago, a deal between the Flames and Gaudreau was close prior to the start of 2021, but for whatever reason, the Flames walked away from it and nothing has been the same since. The trajectory of this team would look a lot different today than what it currently is heading towards right now.
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Old 02-06-2024, 05:22 PM   #1843
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Gaudreau would not have been the 10th highest paid player in the league at the number I had, he might have been somewhere in the 20th-30th. Even then, that would've been a max number, If it was me, I would've tried to get him somewhere in the $8.5M-$8.75M range with considerable signing bonuses.

Ultimately, I had predicted that Gaudreau would be a 100 point player prior to start of the 21-22 season, so naturally, paying him in upper echelon of players wouldn't have been an issue for me anyway regardless if his number started with an 8 or a 9. Ditto for Tkachuk. Superstars typically aren't the ones that burn you, it's always the guys in-between that you have to be careful about. One or 2 bad albatross contracts hurts way more than overpaying a few extra thousand for your franchise star(s).

Go look at salaries at the time. he’d have been around 10th.
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Old 02-06-2024, 05:29 PM   #1844
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Go look at salaries at the time. he’d have been around 10th.
Yeah I am. Gaudreau's contract would've been somewhere in the mid 20's.
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Old 02-06-2024, 05:31 PM   #1845
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Old 02-06-2024, 05:35 PM   #1846
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Kuzmenko for a 2025 1st!!!
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After a grand total of 5 mins we can definitively say Calgary won the trade.
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After a grand total of 5 mins we can definitively say Calgary won the trade.

No, trade is tied again!
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After a grand total of 5 mins we can definitively say Calgary won the trade.
Back to even
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Lindholm scores on the tip and the Canucks players go over to the guy who made the shot from the point instead of Lindholm. That combined with not picking him at the all star game is a little weird.
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Lindholm scores on the tip and the Canucks players go over to the guy who made the shot from the point instead of Lindholm. That combined with not picking him at the all star game is a little weird.
Was it clearly tipped? Hard to tell in real time a lot of the time
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commentators knew right away and it looked tip from our TV angle but I suppose it looks difference at ice level
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Old 02-06-2024, 06:19 PM   #1853
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Looking like a win-win trade at this point.
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Old 02-06-2024, 06:35 PM   #1854
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He’ll score a hat trick his first game like Jankowski and never again lol

Anyway Lindholm can score if his line mates carry him like a baby

Hopefully the Nucks give him the 8 yr 9M he wants
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Lindholm with his 2nd.
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Old 02-06-2024, 06:39 PM   #1856
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Kuzmenko for a 2025 1st!!!
Nah, he’s worth more then that!
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Canucks running away with the trade now. What was Conroy thinking?
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Lindholm with his 2nd.
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After a grand total of 5 mins we can definitively say Calgary won the trade.
After tonight, we can definitively say: great trade for Flames, great trade for Van, terrible trade for the Jets.

Close the threads.
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Canucks running away with the trade now. What was Conroy thinking?
when he walks and a couple months and the Flames still have all assets it will look more than alright
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