2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[FBI]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

...if this is true, I can't be the only one thinking the Flames should considering protecting their asset and scratching him until a trade has been finalized.

No kidding sometimes I feel like he's one shot block on the ankle away from done for the season

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Ya we are not getting that for Lindholm

In a year where:

1. Lindholm is playing to his potential
2. There’s a possibility of the acquiring team extending him
3. There are more contending teams with cap room

He may bring those types of returns

It’s possible these factors weren’t considered when putting these estimated trades together

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You're assuming they made a pick in that range every year - you have to look at how many picks they made in that range.

Since the lockout here are the picks the Flames made from 20-30:

2006: Irving
2007: Backlund
2008: Nemisz
2009: Erixon
2012: Jankowski
2013: Poirier, Klimchuk
2019: Pelletier
2020: Zary

So they made 9 picks from 20-30 and I would argue that 4 were successful so far (Backlund, Jankowski, Pelletier, Zary)

Will be interesting to see too...but I think in the last 5 year or so we are seeing more players taken in that range have an impact than in the prior years.

Go back the last ten drafts. Not many impact players in that range...

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You're assuming they made a pick in that range every year - you have to look at how many picks they made in that range.

Since the lockout here are the picks the Flames made from 20-30:

2006: Irving
2007: Backlund
2008: Nemisz
2009: Erixon
2012: Jankowski
2013: Poirier, Klimchuk
2019: Pelletier
2020: Zary

So they made 9 picks from 20-30 and I would argue that 4 were successful so far (Backlund, Jankowski, Pelletier, Zary)

Will be interesting to see too...but I think in the last 5 year or so we are seeing more players taken in that range have an impact than in the prior years.

Backlund is great. One of my favorites, but still a depth player, a very good one though. Jankowski is a replacement level nhler. Pelletier looks great but probably 2nd liner or 3rd. So he is like Backlund. Zary could be a game changer though.

[Harry Lime]

I'm at work, so it's hard to list everything out. 2020 had a very strong back half of the first round. 2019, the second round was significantly better than the 20-32 picks. 2018, lots of impact defensemen.

Generally, I think that junior players are becoming stronger in terms of development within the last decade. It's not just top 10 or bust anymore.

[Sandman]

Just came by to say that I LOVE the Bruins’ proposed offer from a few pages ago. Frederic has always been severely underrated, but he’s really fulfilling his potential this season. Good skater with size, and tough as nails. Poitras is going to be a star.

Edit: Didn’t see the poll.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Tiger

Go back the last ten drafts. Not many impact players in that range...

I would probably start around 2017, because later draft picks usually take a bit longer:
2017: Robert Thomas, Oetinger, Chytil; verdict still out: Frost, Tolvanen
2016: Tage Thompson
2015: Erikkson-Ek, Boesser, Konecny
2014: Pasternak, Schmaltz, McCann, Kempe
2013: Shea Theodore
2012: Skjei
2011: Rakell, Denault
2010: Kuznetsov, Charlie Coyle, Brock Nelson
2009: Palmieri
2008: John Carlson, Eberle

So yeah you're right probably about a 20% chance to get an impact player. Probably 8-10% to get a guy that can drive a line/pairing.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Just came by to say that I LOVE the Bruins’ proposed offer from a few pages ago. Frederic has always been severely underrated, but he’s really fulfilling his potential this season. Good skater with size, and tough as nails. Poitras is going to be a star.

Edit: Didn’t see the poll.

This 100 percent; I’ve had Frederic in my categories hockey pool for 4 weeks since picking him up on waivers and I just can’t drop him now, he does everything you want a middle six guy to do and he’s definitely on the top part of that middle 6 and if given a bigger role could really thrive on a 2nd line. He would be a really, really good ingredient to add to the mix of forwards and is a player we really don’t have coming up or currently on the roster.

I agree as well he’s underrated generally around the league amongst fans and he certainly wouldn’t be a throw in. With Conner Bedards supposedly even better cousin up for draft in 2025 the more 1st rounders in the pocket the better, totally fine with waiting and with the Bruins as good as they are I’d ask for it unprotected. Poitras being the cherry on top of that proposal is ridiculous and makes me feel like it’s not possible… but the flames have more than just Lindy to trade.

It’s really a fascinating and unprecedented situation Conroy is in and I don’t envy him, waiting on players like Tanev though any longer is making me nervous lol. Hopefully we make a trade sooner than later and start the ball rolling here!!

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Forget Quark, he was a petty crook. Now, Nog, on the other hand, had real lobes for profitable deals...

Nog legit gave up on being a Ferengi because he knew he never had the Lobes. Calm down. That family was all Quark and Ishka.

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I would probably start around 2017, because later draft picks usually take a bit longer:
2017: Robert Thomas, Oetinger, Chytil; verdict still out: Frost, Tolvanen
2016: Tage Thompson
2015: Erikkson-Ek, Boesser, Konecny
2014: Pasternak, Schmaltz, McCann, Kempe
2013: Shea Theodore
2012: Skjei
2011: Rakell, Denault
2010: Kuznetsov, Charlie Coyle, Brock Nelson
2009: Palmieri
2008: John Carlson, Eberle

So yeah you're right probably about a 20% chance to get an impact player. Probably 8-10% to get a guy that can drive a line/pairing.

And that is the other point. Around these picks it is 3 to 5 years out to be an impact player

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Tiger

And that is the other point. Around these picks it is 3 to 5 years out to be an impact player

Yes and the Flames are going to be bad for 3-5 years

[dammage79]

Whatever trades happen before the deadline I hope Conny goes out and does a little shopping himself.

I'm thinking of players like Victor Soderstrom or even Jiricek. Build the D corps with young defensemen that can play today.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Whatever trades happen before the deadline I hope Conny goes out and does a little shopping himself.

I'm thinking of players like Victor Soderstrom or even Jiricek. Build the D corps with young defensemen that can play today.

Why? Players have the most value at the deadline and picks have the most value at the draft. Sell who you can, load up on picks, and then go shopping at the draft if an opportunity presents itself. It also allows us to know exactly who is available with those picks. Say we get a pick around 20-25 and Iginla is available, you take him. Or maybe there’s a big drop in tiers so instead we move that pick in a trade for Jiricek. It wouldn’t make sense to spend assets on players right now that would only hurt our own draft position.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't think we should equate number of teams interested with highest return. Part of the reason there are so many teams is that he is in a more attainable price range, and a good defensive defenseman is a universal commodity. Not as straight-forward for a guy like Lindholm - either he is someone you have a hole in your lineup to fill, or he is not. Fewer suiters, but still higher value.

But with that many suiters competing against each other, you will more likely get the highest possible return in that price range.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by D as in David

But with that many suiters competing against each other, you will more likely get the highest possible return in that price range.

Yes for sure. But still unlikely his price skyrockets to the point of returning more than the other guys, which was the discussion point.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

In a year where:

1. Lindholm is playing to his potential
2. There’s a possibility of the acquiring team extending him
3. There are more contending teams with cap room

He may bring those types of returns

It’s possible these factors weren’t considered when putting these estimated trades together

1. That would help of course, but it isn't as big a deal as some fans are making it to be, IMO
2. There is
3. There are NEVER contending teams with cap room. One of the reasons that Lindholm is so valuable, is the beautiful $4.85M salary he boasts. That will put his deadline cost at about $1M. Retain half and, well you can do the math.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

1. That would help of course, but it isn't as big a deal as some fans are making it to be, IMO
2. There is
3. There are NEVER contending teams with cap room. One of the reasons that Lindholm is so valuable, is the beautiful $4.85M salary he boasts. That will put his deadline cost at about $1M. Retain half and, well you can do the math.

1 you want a rental that’s playing like he doesn’t want to get hurt?
2 he’s walking to free agency
3 1+2 + no cap. Yep you’re right Mr. Feaster

[Niemo]

I’d work hard with Florida to get another blockbuster done. That way, there will be less chance of a surprise with next year and the pick going to MTL.

The way I read it, Flames need to have their own pick be top 10 and Floridas cannot be top 10 to be best case scenario for CGY.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Nog legit gave up on being a Ferengi because he knew he never had the Lobes. Calm down. That family was all Quark and Ishka.

Well, hopefully whomever trades for Lindholm, Tanev or Hanifin is a lot more like Rom than either Quark or Ishka.


Wait... do you see a resemblance?



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[Blaster86]

Allvin would make an excellent Ferengi.


I do like that you just compared the Canucks GM to the Grand Nagus of the Ferengi Alliance who swindled his entire planet's way into the Federation. I'm here for it.