No, you didn't misread. I'm saying that having Nenshi become the leader in this landslide, swell of memberships does not come without risk. Is he in it for long haul or just in it to be Premier? "Will he sit in opposition and fight for progressive rights an additional 4 years after 2027?" is a serious question to consider. I can't think of a worse scenario worse for the ANDP than Nenshi being the leader then losing a close election which validates a 2nd Smith term, then quitting. That would really set the party back, might even kill it.
Hardly peculiar to Nenshi though. If you have Ganley, Hoffman, McGowan or anyone else and lose to Smith next time it’s a huge problem. You have to make progress or voters will start to look around at other options.
You will get to see His Purpleness in the opposition chambers and can decide for yourself. He’ll be there until the next election is called as he’ll get gifted a riding. He’ll then run rings around the United Fascist Party in the Ledge while he takes them to task.
So were they on a path to fixing everything before Nenshi stepped in?
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Hardly peculiar to Nenshi though. If you have Ganley, Hoffman, McGowan or anyone else and lose to Smith next time it’s a huge problem. You have to make progress or voters will start to look around at other options.
It might not make any difference. Ganley can win, it's Smith afterall. And if she lost, especially if it's close, she would stick around for sure. She's ANDP from the start and her policies so far look good and are progressive.
The risk is with Nenshi, you may lose some of your identity, you may lose a progressives party. Again, that depends how different Nenshi's policies are to the rest. If it's beat the UCP at any cost, even losing a bit of identity, then that's fine.
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It might not make any difference. Ganley can win, it's Smith afterall. And if she lost, especially if it's close, she would stick around for sure. She's ANDP from the start and her policies so far look good and are progressive.
The risk is with Nenshi, you may lose some of your identity, you may lose a progressives party. Again, that depends how different Nenshi's policies are to the rest. If it's beat the UCP at any cost, even losing a bit of identity, then that's fine.
Nah, Nenshi is progressive. He might drag the party to the center, but that’s not a bad thing (despite people saying otherwise, the NDP is still left in my view).
If you vote for the leader who will do best losing the next election, you're going to lose the next election.
Despite the UCP being horrible, it's going to be close just because that's how things are in Alberta. You need to go all in on the leader you think gives you the best chance in the next provincial election.
If you still don't win, you re-evaluate at that time. But voting for a leader now with the thought of, "What if we don't win the next election?" is not going to lead to success.
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No, you didn't misread. I'm saying that having Nenshi become the leader in this landslide, swell of memberships does not come without risk. Is he in it for long haul or just in it to be Premier? "Will he sit in opposition and fight for progressive rights an additional 4 years after 2027?" is a serious question to consider. Because current members of the ANDP have been fighting for a long time. I can't think of a worse scenario worse for the ANDP than Nenshi being the leader then losing a close election which validates a 2nd Smith term, then quitting. That would really set the party back, might even kill it.
Every potential leader comes with risk, and every leader could kill the party if they turn out to be the wrong choice. I’m struggling to figure out your point in all of this.
Did you watch Nenshi’s video? What did you think of his platform cornerstones? Did you buy your membership to vote?
Every potential leader comes with risk, and every leader could kill the party if they turn out to be the wrong choice. I’m struggling to figure out your point in all of this.
Did you watch Nenshi’s video? What did you think of his platform cornerstones? Did you buy your membership to vote?
You're funny.
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Has Nenshi said anything about his views on rebranding the party? They really need to to rebrand as the “Alberta Democratic Party”, sever ties with the federal NDP and position/brand as a centrist option. There are many Albertans who refuse to vote for any party with an “NDP” name, regardless of platform.
Look for the Socially Regressive bigots to try and pigeonhole Nenshi to fire up their base with red meat.
They won't go to the mat about economic policy or environmental concerns, they're going to have some useful idiot like Baby Bexte ambush him outside a Subway and ask him a loaded question about Transing The Children or something. Then they'll say he's part of the WEF Adrenochrome harvesting pedo cabal for 3 years and get a staggering amount of mileage out of it.
Has Nenshi said anything about his views on rebranding the party? They really need to to rebrand as the “Alberta Democratic Party”, sever ties with the federal NDP and position/brand as a centrist option. There are many Albertans who refuse to vote for any party with an “NDP” name, regardless of platform.
He can’t say that during the campaign even if he were to agree with that position. He is already trying to ursurp a party he can’t play into that angle.
Notley was already bringing the party to the center. She opened the door. Nenshi is going to blow it wide open.
The ANDP is the conservative option is Alberta. They are the party that wants to generally protect and maintain the status quo. Being socially regressive, while being on the right of the traditional ideological divide is not conservatism,
You will get to see His Purpleness in the opposition chambers and can decide for yourself. He’ll be there until the next election is called as he’ll get gifted a riding. He’ll then run rings around the United Fascist Party in the Ledge while he takes them to task.
I think one of the huge benefits of Nenshi being an outsider is that he doesn't need to take a seat right away. He can spend a full year or more building his team out and strategizing without burdening himself with any of the MLA obligations.
It's been less than a year since the election...it would be a dick move to force someone out, and glancing through the Calgary NDP MLAs I don't see an obvious option to take that bullet. Hell, it might be smart to hold out until the general election so he can run in a contested riding that he could push over the top to gain a seat. Calgary-Cross or Calgary-East would fit that bill (lost by 500-700 votes last time)
I think one of the huge benefits of Nenshi being an outsider is that he doesn't need to take a seat right away. He can spend a full year or more building his team out and strategizing without burdening himself with any of the MLA obligations.
It's been less than a year since the election...it would be a dick move to force someone out, and glancing through the Calgary NDP MLAs I don't see an obvious option to take that bullet. Hell, it might be smart to hold out until the general election so he can run in a contested riding that he could push over the top to gain a seat. Calgary-Cross or Calgary-East would fit that bill (lost by 500-700 votes last time)
I think there’s zero chance he’s sitting outside the leg for 3.5 years. He’s gonna need to get in there as leader of the opposition but the choice of seat will be interesting. Noteys would probably work.
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I think there’s zero chance he’s sitting outside the leg for 3.5 years. He’s gonna need to get in there as leader of the opposition but the choice of seat will be interesting. Noteys would probably work.
Yeah he has to get into the legislature if he wins. You can’t have your leader out of the leg for 3.5 years, getting no camera time and asking no questions.
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Has Nenshi said anything about his views on rebranding the party? They really need to to rebrand as the “Alberta Democratic Party”, sever ties with the federal NDP and position/brand as a centrist option. There are many Albertans who refuse to vote for any party with an “NDP” name, regardless of platform.
Yesterday on Ryan Jespersen he was asked about that and he talked about how the name change of the BC liberals hurt them. What he did say that he would look at a review of there constitution which hasn't been changed in a long time.
Here's yesterday's Ryan Jespersen episode. I don't mind Charles Adler's takes either. He's on the show every week. Very similar to what I hear a lot of : "I'm a conservative, but the UCP aren't conservatives anymore."
That actually seems to be a cornerstone to Nenshi's message, and I think that it will resonate. The closest thing on the spectrum to a centrist or even progressive conservative party is... not the UCP. And he's going to harp on the UCP's record relentlessly and factually, and as much as I respect Notley and the party's progress in the last election, someone like Nenshi will slap them around with fact bombs with a side of sass. Bring it.
