[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[PuckDemon]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

I don't get why posters drop to their knees for players who actively disrespected the club.

Refused to negotiate a reasonable contract with Craig, then gave the illusion an extension could reasonably be part of a trade with Boston or other teams, then pulled the rug out from Conroy, hurting the return.

Went to every player's prized market, which is in our division, and wrote about 30 words about the Flames, who drafted him and made him a multimillionaire.

Hopefully gets the Marner treatment, sans the cheering during the video at the Dome.

How did the "illusion" of an extension hurt the return? Had he decided all along to not extend, he would have gone for a rental price all the same. Negotiating with Boston got Vegas to sweeten their package, although we don't know by how much.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by PuckDemon

Negotiating with Boston got Vegas to sweeten their package, although we don't know by how much.

I can't remember who tweeted it but I remember reading on the day of the trade they were only offering a 1st + 2nd.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by PuckDemon

How did the "illusion" of an extension hurt the return? Had he decided all along to not extend, he would have gone for a rental price all the same. Negotiating with Boston got Vegas to sweeten their package, although we don't know by how much.

Well the rumoured return from Boson was far superior. If we get a second for Whitecloud the value becomes closer, but I don't really understand why Rasmus told Craig an extension with Boston was on the table, then reneged presumably at the last minute.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Conroy did offer him an extension

“Obviously, he had expectations on a contract, but it just wasn't going to work out," Conroy said.

From what I remember it was a below market shorter term deal.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Well the rumoured return from Boson was far superior. If we get a second for Whitecloud the value becomes closer, but I don't really understand why Rasmus told Craig an extension with Boston was on the table, then reneged presumably at the last minute.

Contract probably wasn’t enough to commit eight years to a mid level team compared to what he thinks he can get out of Vegas or free agency

[Vox]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Well the rumoured return from Boson was far superior. If we get a second for Whitecloud the value becomes closer, but I don't really understand why Rasmus told Craig an extension with Boston was on the table, then reneged presumably at the last minute.

Perhaps because he did not like what Boston was offering for the extension, and decided it was best therefore to wait until free agency? And, keep in mind, there was almost two months until the trade deadline when he was traded, so it wasn't at the last minute. He was simply traded as soon as he was unable to negotiate an extension that worked with Boston.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Bonded

“Obviously, he had expectations on a contract, but it just wasn't going to work out," Conroy said.

From what I remember it was a below market shorter term deal.

I can't really see Craig lowballing him on dollars considering Calgary's cap situation. Term may have been an issue, I'm sure Ras will sign for seven years with Vegas next week, I can see Conroy being unwilling to go beyond five years.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

I can't really see Craig lowballing him on dollars considering Calgary's cap situation. Term may have been an issue, I'm sure Ras will sign for seven years with Vegas next week, I can see Conroy being unwilling to go beyond five years.

Why’d he sign a five year deal though? If he signs with Vegas it will probably be eight

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Vox

Perhaps because he did not like what Boston was offering for the extension, and decided it was best therefore to wait until free agency? And, keep in mind, there was almost two months until the trade deadline when he was traded, so it wasn't at the last minute. He was simply traded as soon as he was unable to negotiate an extension that worked with Boston.

$63 million was Boston's reported offer. Let's see if Vegas beats that, I have a feeling they won't go higher than 8 million per year.

[Rhett44]

The rumor I believe is the Flames offered 7 and Rasmus wanted closer to 9.

He will likely end up signing for around 8 in Vegas, and without taxes it will be similar to 9 in other places.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Why’d he sign a five year deal though? If he signs with Vegas it will probably be eight

I agree five years wouldn't make sense for Andersson, I'm saying I could see Conroy being unwilling to go beyond that.

It also depends on Andersson's ask, though. We don't know for sure how far apart the two sides were.

[PuckDemon]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Well the rumoured return from Boson was far superior. If we get a second for Whitecloud the value becomes closer, but I don't really understand why Rasmus told Craig an extension with Boston was on the table, then reneged presumably at the last minute.

Think of the rumoured Boston deal as an optional bonus that had no gaurantee of happening. All Rasmus pulled off the table was an optional bonus. He didn't hurt the base value.

As to why he reneged, maybe he changed his mind last minute when things started becoming real. Gaudreau changed his mind last minute too. That's why it's so risky to walk a player all the way to UFA. Even if the player is 100% sincere in wanting to re-sign or work with the team for a favourable trade, they can always change their mind last minute. It's human.

[cam_calderon]

He will want to negotiate a pretty good NMC. Vegas won't hesitate to cut him halfway through the deal when his play drops, or earlier.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by PuckDemon

Think of the rumoured Boston deal as an optional bonus that had no gaurantee of happening. All Rasmus pulled off the table was an optional bonus. He didn't hurt the base value.

As to why he reneged, maybe he changed his mind last minute when things started becoming real. Gaudreau changed his mind last minute too. That's why it's so risky to walk a player all the way to UFA. Even if the player is 100% sincere in wanting to re-sign or work with the team for a favourable trade, they can always change their mind last minute. It's human.

Conroy needs to wear some of the blame, too, absolutely. Still pretty dumbfounding he did not learn from Bradley's failures, or his own with Hanifin.

[Vox]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Conroy needs to wear some of the blame, too, absolutely. Still pretty dumbfounding he did not learn from Bradley's failures, or his own with Hanifin.

Take the blame for what?

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Vox

Take the blame for what?

Walking him to UFA, like you said. Or close to it at least. I still don't see why he was around for the playoff run last year, or post the 2025 draft.

[Vox]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Walking him to UFA, like you said. Or close to it at least. I still don't see why he was around for the playoff run last year, or post the 2025 draft.

Those have been pretty well established in the past. Certainly litigated over and over, anyway. There doesn't seem to be consensus that these were mistakes. And technically, he did not walk him to UFA. He traded him for a 1st, 2nd, prospect and pretty good player instead.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Conroy should have traded Rasmus a season or two earlier for maximum return. That's an argument.


I just will never understand why someone must have a public meltdown because a player chose to do what he thought was right for himself rather than the team. Teams will cut player, buy players out, and not offer players extensions all the time. It is a two-way street. That's the business side.


Rasmus could have just said: "Vegas or nothing" from the very start. Good luck getting Vegas to offer anything other than scraps. Sounds like Vegas offered the best 'rental deal'. Rasmus could have also used his NTC to eliminate teams he thought might bid on him for a playoff run too - he was an upcoming UFA, so teams outside of the playoffs wouldn't have any interest in a rental.


Rasmus didn't exactly bend over backwards for the Flames, but he also didn't screw the Flames either. Was a good soldier for a cheap deal for a long time here, and when he left, he showed the Flames, the city and the fans a little bit of respect instead of stomping his feet, complaining, and demanding a trade to Vegas and Vegas only.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Conroy should have traded Rasmus a season or two earlier for maximum return. That's an argument.


I just will never understand why someone must have a public meltdown because a player chose to do what he thought was right for himself rather than the team. Teams will cut player, buy players out, and not offer players extensions all the time. It is a two-way street. That's the business side.


Rasmus could have just said: "Vegas or nothing" from the very start. Good luck getting Vegas to offer anything other than scraps. Sounds like Vegas offered the best 'rental deal'. Rasmus could have also used his NTC to eliminate teams he thought might bid on him for a playoff run too - he was an upcoming UFA, so teams outside of the playoffs wouldn't have any interest in a rental.


Rasmus didn't exactly bend over backwards for the Flames, but he also didn't screw the Flames either. Was a good soldier for a cheap deal for a long time here, and when he left, he showed the Flames, the city and the fans a little bit of respect instead of stomping his feet, complaining, and demanding a trade to Vegas and Vegas only.

Conroy tried to trade him last summer. They got better value now. Best offer was Bowen Byrum straight up.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Conroy tried to trade him last summer. They got better value now. Best offer was Bowen Byrum straight up.

I thought it was leaked that Toronto was trying to get Rasmus at the last deadline, and eventually switched to Carlo when the Flames pulled him off the market?


At any rate, I was talking about 2 seasons ago during the off-season when Mangiapane was traded-out. Either way, this wasn't a bad trade. I just don't understand the meltdown, that's all.