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Old 12-07-2024, 01:23 PM   #1821
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Slightly OT but roadside sobriety tests are such BS. I'm pretty sure it's because the US departments are too cheap to equip roadside breathalizer units.
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Body camera footage of police interaction with driver is released. More than anything it seems like the guy was impatient and made a poor decision. I think drinking was a factor in his decision making, but he clearly wasn't drunk. He's probably just an everyday guy, who drives aggressively and is an impatient driver.
Well, he clearly was drunk considering he blew 0.087 2-3 hours after the accident which was apparently already an hour after he had stopped drinking.

And being unable to follow instructions during the field sobriety test doesn’t help his case.
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Didn't he also admit to actively drinking in the car? I might be misremembering.
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Old 12-07-2024, 02:51 PM   #1824
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Didn't he also admit to actively drinking in the car? I might be misremembering.
Yes and there were several empties in the car.

"He told an officer at the scene that he’d consumed five or six beers before the collision and admitted to drinking while driving."

"He also allegedly admitted trying to hide beer cans after hitting the Gaudreaus, prosecutors said."

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Body camera footage of police interaction with driver is released. More than anything it seems like the guy was impatient and made a poor decision. I think drinking was a factor in his decision making, but he clearly wasn't drunk. He's probably just an everyday guy, who drives aggressively and is an impatient driver.

Just last week someone overtook me on elbow drive by accelerating into the lane of on coming traffic. It was insane because there was a red light 100m ahead and lots of traffic in front of me. So like 5 seconds after he overtook me, we're both waiting at the same light. Probably a similar type of low IQ driver...just aggressive and impatient middle aged man for no reason.

The oddest part is the end of the video where he asks if everyone was is okay and what happened. Like this is 30 minutes after the incident...it's odd he doesn't know that he's killed them at this point.

He sure seems like he's in a state of shock.
More than anything he seems like a murderer.
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IMHO, killing someone while DUI should be locked up for life without any chance of parole! But then again, I might be a little bias. My best friend, a vibrant, kindhearted girl who protected me from bullies when I first immigrate to Canada, got run down and killed while crossing at a crosswalk on broad daylight. The guy who killed her got 5 years! It's been more than 40 years and I still cannot forget let alone forgive.
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So he had a surgery a couple days before and was dealing with pain? Have to wonder if he combined alcohol and pain medication.
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Old 12-07-2024, 04:52 PM   #1828
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... You know that's basically going to be the same amount of time.

I mean he's probably going to get and take a plea that will probably cut his sentence in half (ish), serve 1/3rd of that less pre-trial detention credit, get paroled. He'll be out in likely 3ish years.
No way, this isn't Canada's justice system (as someone mention Tschetter above). Just watched a You Tube video where a young woman, who was 3 times over the legal limit, hit a bridal party in their golf cart and killed the bride and seriously injured 3 others. This was in South Carolina and she got 25 years, I imagine Sean Higgins will receive a similar sentence.
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Well, he clearly was drunk considering he blew 0.087 2-3 hours after the accident which was apparently already an hour after he had stopped drinking.

And being unable to follow instructions during the field sobriety test doesn’t help his case.
Yes - he's legally intoxicated and shouldn't be driving. He should be found guilty and get a lengthy prison sentence

He's not drunk/wasted/obliterated. He's calm, respectful, speaking clearly, and in control of himself.
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Yes - he's legally intoxicated and shouldn't be driving. He should be found guilty and get a lengthy prison sentence

He's not drunk/wasted/obliterated. He's calm, respectful, speaking clearly, and in control of himself.
Not sure where you're going with that but you may want to quit while you're ahead..
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I'm literally going no where with it. I think it's news that he's not wasted based on the video. I was expecting that he was. It's a new development. I watched the video and am sharing my observation.

Not really sure where you think I'm going with this.
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Yes - he's legally intoxicated and shouldn't be driving. He should be found guilty and get a lengthy prison sentence

He's not drunk/wasted/obliterated. He's calm, respectful, speaking clearly, and in control of himself.
He’s clearly drunk in the video. He blew 0.087, not 0.2. Not sure what you were expecting.
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What part of the video do you think he's clearly drunk? Just that he asks the officer to repeat the sobriety test? He might just be in shock and freaked out and not in the right headspace.

I didn't actually have any expectations one way or another. I thought maybe there'd be something where a viewer could be like "yeah, he's clearly drunk" but watching the video and not knowing he blew 0.087, you wouldn't really know he was too intoxicated to drive

I think that's interesting because it makes me think maybe more people are driving intoxicated, but assuming they're under the legal limit because they're not discernably drunk.
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Old 12-08-2024, 12:40 AM   #1834
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He didn't appear drunk to me on that video either, any decent defense team will get him off for the DUI with a level of 0.087 and they'll show that video at trial, it's the other charges that will send him to the slammer.
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IMHO, killing someone while DUI should be locked up for life without any chance of parole! But then again, I might be a little bias. My best friend, a vibrant, kindhearted girl who protected me from bullies when I first immigrate to Canada, got run down and killed while crossing at a crosswalk on broad daylight. The guy who killed her got 5 years! It's been more than 40 years and I still cannot forget let alone forgive.
Yup, the Canadian justice system is a joke. My best friend as a teenager got stabbed to death and the guy only got 3 years. The ####### that did it was a week away from Regina and become a cop. He was charged with 2nd degree went to prison then they ordered a second trail where he was only convicted of man slaughter . I was living with the guys girlfriend at the time who killed him . He found flirty msn messenger messages( between her and my friend they had previously dated)archived on her computer and ran out the house if a fit. Ran to his home , unplugged and destroyed all the computers and land.lines so his roommates couldn't call the cops, then took a cab to the esso stabbed him multiple times including in the heart.

3 years only for such a needless violent crime.

Just look up David holditch murder . It was big at the time.
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What part of the video do you think he's clearly drunk? Just that he asks the officer to repeat the sobriety test? He might just be in shock and freaked out and not in the right headspace.

I didn't actually have any expectations one way or another. I thought maybe there'd be something where a viewer could be like "yeah, he's clearly drunk" but watching the video and not knowing he blew 0.087, you wouldn't really know he was too intoxicated to drive

I think that's interesting because it makes me think maybe more people are driving intoxicated, but assuming they're under the legal limit because they're not discernably drunk.
He couldn’t follow instructions or perform the basic tasks properly. To your point, this is exactly what the “I’ve been drinking but I’m good to drive” guy looks like. Seemingly clear headed and coherent, but a couple steps behind in terms of function, which as we saw, is deadly behind a vehicle. If people think “drunk” is just completely obliterated, slurring words, lazy eyes, stumbling around, and not that phase where someone is just a little looser, more talkative, etc, then that’s a mistake.

The amount of alcohol he would have needed to consume to blow a 0.087 approximately 7-9 hours after he started drinking is a lot. Enough that people should know better.

In Alberta you can get a ticket and have your vehicle impounded over 0.05 for good reason, which is because you’re impaired even over that level.

Anyways, I just think the entire notion that he’s not that drunk, or that 0.08 isn’t that bad or “just 1-2 beers” or whatever is so dumb and just serves to minimize his actions. This is a guy that drank heavily and went for a drive, which is a scum thing to do, period.
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Why do people engage with Gullfoss. Just the worst and when you think they can’t sink any lower here they come in a thread about Johnny to say his murderer isn’t drink. Just an awful awful person.
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Wish this all could be litigated in a different thread.
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.087 is barely above the limit, but as people note, this is quite a while afterwards. Plus, you can make an argument that it’s a super dangerous level - sober enough to function but drunk enough to be stupidly reckless and dangerous. The “I’m OK level”. The really high readings you hear about are rare because those levels usually mean a person is incapable of even getting to their car. This is the more common and dangerous level.
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Why do people engage with Gullfoss. Just the worst and when you think they can’t sink any lower here they come in a thread about Johnny to say his murderer isn’t drink. Just an awful awful person.
What's awful about pointing out that the killer wasn't obviously impaired? If anything, it shows that the guy was a dangerous hothead behind the wheel and probably shouldn't have been driving in any circumstances, drunk or sober.

I'm fine with locking him up until the twelfth of never.
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