2021 NHL Draft

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah. Cool beans loser. I still stand by my previous statement from last year, If you ever spoke to me like this in real life I'd smack the tase out of your mouth. Imputent imp.

Imagine being this mad because someone thinks taking intimate photos without consent isn't a "bro move". Sickening. Truly.

Can you not put yourself in the position of the victim or her family? Photos circulating around and then hearing people say "Oh well, it happens all the time the guy is just a ####ing alpha dude, I can't wait to cheer him on when he plays for my favourite team!"

The act can be despicable and the person redeemed. But pretending he did nothing wrong...means nothing will change ever.

[Firebot]

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah. Cool beans loser. I still stand by my previous statement from last year, If you ever spoke to me like this in real life I'd smack the tase out of your mouth. Imputent imp.

Sustained verbal abuse and threats of physical violence reported to the mods.

[MRCboicgy]

Okay, seriously? Back on topic. Yeesh

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Sustained verbal abuse and threats of physical violence reported to the mods.

Excellent. I can't wait to hear from them! Maybe Oling can get banned too!

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Excellent. I can't wait to hear from them!aube Ol8ng can get banned too!

Seriously dude, you have a garbage take passing this off as some dude bro moment. Yes, people understand what a dude bro moment is, but this goes beyond what you think is 'ok'. This is illegal, and yes, this kid should be vilified and I wouldn't support the Flames in drafting this POS.


Then you go on some tangent attacking and threatening people on your stance?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by neo45

Zero second chances? For a 17 year old?

This whole “punishment and suffering over rehabilitation” mindset people have is absolutely baffling.

What’s curious is there’s less willingness in some quarters to rehabilitate and forgive over these sorts of transgressions than there is for 17 year olds who stab someone or hold up a liquor store.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Is there many prospects who held up a liquor store? Aren't we pretty much limited to Ryder who we knew was dealing with mental health issues and all but gone from hockey?

When was the last 17 year old hockey prospect to go on a stabbing spree 5 days before the draft?

[1qqaaz]

In hindsight, we probably should have had a separate thread for Logan Mailloux.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

What’s curious is there’s less willingness in some quarters to rehabilitate and forgive over these sorts of transgressions than there is for 17 year olds who stab someone or hold up a liquor store.

Knife wounds heal, property can be replaced. Being publicly shamed and humiliated on a high-volume Internet site lasts for life. And there is not even the excuse of momentary anger here, as there sometimes is for stabbings.

‘Who steals my purse steals trash; ’tis something, nothing;
’Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him,
And makes me poor indeed.’

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Seriously dude, you have a garbage take passing this off as some dude bro moment. Yes, people understand what a dude bro moment is, but this goes beyond what you think is 'ok'. This is illegal, and yes, this kid should be vilified and I wouldn't support the Flames in drafting this POS.


Then you go on some tangent attacking and threatening people on your stance?

Go back and read the original post. Then I somehow am labeled as some sort of defender of the wicked when all it was meant to say was 2nd chances for something like this are permittable.

And now, after having it fully dissected and twisted back onto me from a poster who has a long standing history of being an over zealous moral pedestal begins a long tiring shtick of ....bullying ppl. Yeah, the idiot gets my hackles up.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

What’s curious is there’s less willingness in some quarters to rehabilitate and forgive over these sorts of transgressions than there is for 17 year olds who stab someone or hold up a liquor store.

There is? Where are ya getting that from? Also, what the #### does it have to do with anything?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

What’s curious is there’s less willingness in some quarters to rehabilitate and forgive over these sorts of transgressions than there is for 17 year olds who stab someone or hold up a liquor store.

Not that there are actual examples of this, but...

Stabbing someone actually has more defences and/or excuses (defence, in a fight, drunken brawl, accident when acting tough). And holding up a store is often spur of the moment stuff.

This required him to decide to record someone without their knowledge (someone who presumably trusted him), and then, later, deliberately decide to share it. To me it's more low-down.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Sigh. Here we go.
The draft: one guy....ONE GUY out of all the pros reporting and forming opinions on the draft has this opinion. And you chose to use that as some sort of argument.

The consent thing:
Twisting my words on that post is fun for you isn't it?
The act he participated in with the girl was consensual. I shouldn't have to defend the very definition of that. Was it not? Taking a picture and sharing it under Swedish law was legal. So even if the picture taking act of the event wasn't consensual, it was perfectly legal. That's a different thing on its own and even Said that it was a Wild thing to me in that very post.

The fact you and other pot stirrers around here cannot grasp what a dude bro implies is equally as hilarious. But let me clear that up for since it appears to be a super important thing.

Dude Bro: ######bag. Hockey bros sharing their notches on their belts of puck bunny conquests. A well known long engrained behavior in hockey culture.

So, in closing your honor, my opinion was that it was a total dudebro thing and he got caught. Admitted he needed to correct the issue and deserved a second chance if he is truly remorseful.

To the top part, it's not a unique opinion, it's been a given for a while. Are you aware of every opinion on the draft?

I just think it doesn't make any sense to get bent out of shape about someone parroting what someone in the actual know is saying. That's just as valid as your opinion.

For the rest, thanks for the clarification. I would say it's less about having fun twisting your words and more about you presenting them poorly in the first place, but I can see you're defensive about it, so we're all good.

[bdubbs]

The draft can't come any sooner.

[SportsJunky]

Why can't we just make our points instead of calling each other out all the time? The draft is coming up. Fun times. I don't want to see good posters getting banned right now.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Why can't we just make our points instead of calling each other out all the time? The draft is coming up. Fun times. I don't want to see good posters getting banned right now.

(jk jk pls dont ban me)

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

To the top part, it's not a unique opinion, it's been a given for a while. Are you aware of every opinion on the draft?

I just think it doesn't make any sense to get bent out of shape about someone parroting what someone in the actual know is saying. That's just as valid as your opinion.

I've been off of work for a few months from being laid off and I've honestly invested way too much time reading and studying this draft. So when you ask if I am aware of every opinion on the draft, sadly the answer is yes.

My problem today seems to be getting a little disturbed that other posters who haven't spent as much time as others in this specific thread just casually throwing all our long formed opinions out the window in favor of something like the tweet you posted. Which is very unique. Yes it's not a strong draft but its not a horrible draft. that guy is pretty far and away an extreme POV.

Sorry for getting bent out of shape.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I'm never going to pretend that I'm a scout or expert but I do spend a lot of time reading about the draft and watching video and games when I can.
My view of the draft is
- It is primarily weak because it lacks a true #1. The fact that Power is the unanimous #1 pick underscores this. He will be a very good NHLer but more along the lines of a Chris Philips or Erik Johnson. He's not going to change a franchise.
- Following Power there is a clump of really good players that each have some obvious flaws (sometimes only one) that create some risk or lower probability of their ceilings being reached. But what I like is there is a lot of skill and strong hockey sense. The flaws, in many cases, are addressable in my view.
- I think that skill extends into the latest teens, where there is another shelf, where you get into players that have either way larger and harder to overcome flaws, combinations of flaws that make them unlikely to success - or limited upside.

For example there are a number of smallish players who are also not great skaters. Being both small and not a great skater is tough to overcome just looking at historic outcomes. There's a bunch of that stuff littered through the draft.

Summarizing
- The draft lacks a strong #1 overall selection, whoever goes 2 and 3 are likely weaker than normal years too. For the record, if I had #1 I would be drafting William Eklund, but that would also be a weaker #1 than most years.
- From 4 to say 17 I actually think there's a lot of upside and quality players to pick
- From 17-35 I think it's weaker
- From then on...who knows.

I heard a podcast the other day where someone commented that it's going to be interested watching the OHL next year, and some other leagues that didn't play much or at all, because there are going to be players that emerge out of nowhere that are going to look like great steals or ones that didn't go at all. We could see a bumper crop of overagers drafted next year. Right now - we just don't know who those players are.

[Mephisto]

I’m all for second chances, but this was a total dirtbag thing to do. In this day and age, with all that’s happened with this sort of thing a seventeen year old should know better. I hope he isn’t drafted by any team as this “owning up” seems to be well timed to occur pre-draft.

On to the Flames - I think Treliving will try valiantly to trade the pick for help now (especially if Gio is claimed). I don’t agree with it (unless it’s in a package for Eichel), but that’s what I think he’ll do first. If unsuccessful, Silinger or Lucius will be the pick if they are there as they kind of fit the solid physical/skill/personality balance Flames have sought over recent years and both may instantly become our best prospect. If both are gone I could see a trade down.