The Matthew Tkachuk contract negotiations

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

It's not as insane as everybody is making it out to be. There have been a few crazy contracts mostly thanks to one special GM, but most have been quite reasonable.

This is the storyline every year. The biggest thing is that the RFA status puts players in a corner, no matter what. He can't sign with another team without the team giving up a ton of draft picks, which limits his potential offers. The longer he waits to sign in the season, the smaller the cap hit the team can feasibly offer him. I don't see what motivation BT has to give in. While Tkachuk is awesome, the Flames can handle things without him for a period of time. That's where having Gaudreau/Monahan/Lindholm/Backlund/etc is important. And knowing that the forwards are relatively healthy, and Bennett can slide into that spot, means there's even less motivation to give in.

Ultimately, the team is able to proceed without the player, and the player loses money by not playing.

On a side note...can offer sheets be presented at any time? Let's say a team like Arizona waits until November 30th, and offers a 7M annual cap hit. At that point, the Flames would need to trade a player to make room for that pro-rated cap hit, but Arizona doesn't need to give up 4 first rounders. Is that possible?

If Tkachuk would except a $7M cap hit, he’d already be in camp.


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[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

They are working for their clients. This is nonsense. Agents don’t decide how to allocate a team’s cap.

Yeah, yeah

Most agents have multiple clients, not all top stars, and are smart enough to know how to add

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah, yeah



Most agents have multiple clients, not all top stars, and are smart enough to know how to add

If an agent didn’t do what he could to get a particular client as much as he could due to having other clients, he needs to drop some clients due to a conflict of interest.


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[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If an agent didn’t do what he could to get a particular client as much as he could due to having other clients, he needs to drop some clients due to a conflict of interest.


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No. We all know agents want to maximize each individual deal, everyone agrees on that

There are always chumps on the team represented by other agents that can be their casualty

The agencies with a large stable of clients will find it to be more of a zero sum game at that level

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah, yeah

Most agents have multiple clients, not all top stars, and are smart enough to know how to add

I don't really get what you are trying to drive at. Honestly you are posting multiple times a day on this topic, taking turns blaming Dubas, Tkachuk's Dad, agents and so on Telling Treliving to present ultimatums, let Tkachuk sit etc.

This was always going to be a difficult negotiation and the guy hasn't missed a regular season game yet. It might be time to take a deep breath.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don't really get what you are trying to drive at. Honestly you are posting multiple times a day on this topic, taking turns blaming Dubas, Tkachuk's Dad, agents and so on Telling Treliving to present ultimatums, let Tkachuk sit etc.

This was always going to be a difficult negotiation and the guy hasn't missed a regular season game yet. It might be time to take a deep breath.

Yeah, like many, I read this message board and reply to posts for time to time.

Yes, it will ba a difficult negotiation, that is patently obvious, and there are many different angles, many on which I have commented.

I am not sure why you are confused but wish you the best with that

[sureLoss]

Chris Johnston @reporterchris
Had a brief chat with unsigned RFA Matthew Tkachuk, in Toronto this morning doing skating/skills work. He politely declined an interview.

[Toonage]

Nice that he still wears Flames gear. That has to be a good sign. Right?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Nice that he still wears Flames gear. That has to be a good sign. Right?

You are grasping at straws, here.

Did anyone hear Corey Sarich on SN 960 just now talking about the Tkachuk situation? It was just him throwing out his own thoughts, but he helped explain why TC is so important, and how difficult it is to get back up to game speed without it.

I am at the point now where I think regardless of how this turns out, this is going to be a disappointing year from #19. How does that affect negotiations as the stalemate continues?

(BTW, Sarich has become a terrific analyst/commentator. I am always really impressed with him whenever I see/hear him on TV or the radio.)

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[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You are grasping at straws, here.

Well, yeah. Thought that was obvious.

[getbak]

I wonder if that's Dawn Braid he's working with? If it is, that should at least indicate he's still working on whatever program he was given at the end of last season.

[getbak]

Francis reporting that there has been movement between Point and Tampa...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1176155952044576769





Come on, Bradley, it's time to get working.

[Toonage]

What sort of weird world has Francis scooping Pierre LeBrun?

I don't want to live in it.

[Moneyhands23]

With the Pointe signing at 3 x 6.75 you gotta think the hold up is term on Tkachuk. BT must be really trying to get 6-8 years or the bridge would be done or at least very close.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Toonage

What sort of weird world has Francis scooping Pierre LeBrun?

I don't want to live in it.

Pointe being a local, Francis probably has some kind of connection. If nothing more, he probably covered him in his draft year and talked to him and the family well before Lebrun knew who he was. I'm not expecting this to be the norm...

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Originally Posted by getbak

I wonder if that's Dawn Braid he's working with? If it is, that should at least indicate he's still working on whatever program he was given at the end of last season.

It certainly looks like her which means Tkachuk is working on a facet of his skating. She was in Calgary in August working with our players too.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You are grasping at straws, here.

Did anyone hear Corey Sarich on SN 960 just now talking about the Tkachuk situation? It was just him throwing out his own thoughts, but he helped explain why TC is so important, and how difficult it is to get back up to game speed without it.

I am at the point now where I think regardless of how this turns out, this is going to be a disappointing year from #19. How does that affect negotiations as the stalemate continues?

(BTW, Sarich has become a terrific analyst/commentator. I am always really impressed with him whenever I see/hear him on TV or the radio.)

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I've only listened to half of this morning's podcast, and it was refreshing to hear an athlete who sounded very sharp and smart. Nothing against Warrener and Commie specifically, but they are more dumb jock humor, which is supremely entertaining in its own right.

[Toonage]

Sarich did well this morning but he's also no stranger to radio having done not only previous spots on 960 but had a semi-regular spot on NHL Network Radio a few years back as well.

[KipperFaNaTic]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You are grasping at straws, here.

Did anyone hear Corey Sarich on SN 960 just now talking about the Tkachuk situation? It was just him throwing out his own thoughts, but he helped explain why TC is so important, and how difficult it is to get back up to game speed without it.

I am at the point now where I think regardless of how this turns out, this is going to be a disappointing year from #19. How does that affect negotiations as the stalemate continues?

(BTW, Sarich has become a terrific analyst/commentator. I am always really impressed with him whenever I see/hear him on TV or the radio.)

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Gadreau had a relative down year during his stalled negotiation and I strongly believe that Jagr didn't work out because of his lack of a training camp.

You need training camp to get up to speed and build rapport with your teammates and to also get your body fit to prevent injuries.

[SuperMatt18]

The last two seasons in all situations:

Goals/60
Point: 1.41
Boeser: 1.37
Tkachuk: 1.35
Draisaitl: 1.34
Konecny: 1.17
Aho: 1.16
Marner: 0.97

Points/60
Marner: 3.29
Draisaitl: 3.13
Point: 3.05
Tkachuk: 2.93
Aho: 2.91
Boeser:2.77
Konecny: 2.34

So that's the comparable grouping.

Marner: 6 years @ $10.9M
Aho: 5 years @ $8.5M
Draisaitl: 6 years @ $8.5M remaining
Point: 3 years @ $6.75M
Boeser: 3 years @ $5.875M
Konecny: 6 years @ $5.5M

So they have a pretty robust group of comparable players for Tkachuk now.

For the first 3 years of a Tkachuk contract you have Boeser and Point really setting that market now and Tkachuk should fall some where in the middle there.

Based on the market value his value is probably around $6.5M over the first 3 years, since he should be higher than Boeser but cheaper than Point: Something like:

Year 1: $5.5M
Year 2: $5.5M
Year 3: $8.5M

Then if you want to get to a 6 year deal you can add on extra years.

Year 4: $8.5M (qualifying offer from year 3)
Year 5: $10.5M (UFA premium)
Year 6: $10.5M (UFA premium)

Honestly I see two frameworks that should work for a contract at this point:

3 Year Deal: 3 years @ $6.5 AAV ( $19.5M total)

or

6 year deal: 6 years at $8.2M AAV ($49M total)

But honestly it probably has to be a 3 year deal just because Toronto overpayed so heavily on the Marner contract that the comparable for 6 year deals are out of wack.