[News] Flames hire Bill Peters as the franchise's 19th head coach

[JohnnyT]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I liked what Peters had to say today as well. But...I still question the Flames deciding not to pursue guys with proven NHL track records. If Peters comes in and has a lot of success in Calgary it wont matter. If the Flames can't take another step forward in the next couple of seasons, people will be wondering whey they didn't get a guy like Vignault when they had the chance.

Here's hoping Peters can make the most of this though, as a Flames fan I sincerely hope he's the best coach they've ever had. At the very least he does seem to have a much more commanding presence than Gulutzan did. All we can do is see what happens.

I think Treliving liked the Peters the best and knows that no matter who he hires if they don’t have success that he’s likely out the door as well. Knowing that wouldn’t you hire you’re favourite as well?

[Monahan For Mayor]

Bill Nye the Corsi Guy

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Angelino

I think his NHL coaching record is more relevant than any other record he has.

Where he coached a garbage Carolina team? You're just cherry picking seasons to support your made up narrative.

And you cited his Jr and college career so why can't I cite his international accomplishments?

[Sutter4Mayor]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Underrated comment

Sorry....

B'ill! B'ill! B'ill! B'ill! B'ill! B'ill! B'ill!

[joejoe3]

Originally Posted by Ring of Fire

There’s gotta be a finger cooking with Bill photoshop next...

Bill will be cooking up wins with his middle finger for all you CP haters.

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Where he coached a garbage Carolina team? You're just cherry picking seasons to support your made up narrative.

And you cited his Jr and college career so why can't I cite his international accomplishments?

I didn’t say what you can and can’t post. I’m not forum police.

I think he might be more suitable to remaining in the international coaching arena. I think Peters might be an ultra successful coach if he stayed as Canada coach. His track record indicates as such.

His NHL record counts the most to me. Not cherry picking his NHL seasons. His entire NHL head coaching career seems to be a failure. If it doesn’t matter to you much that’s fine. I would be more encouraged if Treliving hired a coach with a better NHL record.

[Reign of Fire]

Just listening to the press conference now. Looks like Treliving had blinders on for Bill (so much for the process). I mean not to even hold interviews and giving someone else a chance to see what they can bring.

Hopefully it turns out well, otherwise the only positive is bye bye Treliving and his "pseudo" process.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You seem pretty worked up over being questioned about it.

I added my thoughts a few page back. Was lukewarm on the hire when rumoured, but after hearing him speak I was impressed and am cautiously optimistic.

I was genuinely curious as to what you thought after hearing him speak, and





didn't seem to answer anything other than was another re-packaging of your 'unhappy with everyone' schtick you've been repeating ad nauseam.


I was pretty impressed with what I heard for the most part, and thought it would be interesting to hear some analysis from someone at the far end of the negative spectrum. Guess that's too much to ask for in your case as you just seem interested in repeating the same thing over and over.

I'm not policing anything. Was asking you for your thoughts, but since you have no interest in anything other than repeating the same thing I won't make that mistake again.

It's just easier to throw the guy on your ignore list. You can't get through to people like this who feel the need to flood forums with stupid statements. They get a rise out of being annoying.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Angelino

When Peters was hired in Carolina I’m sure he had all the same intangible aspects during his hiring day interviews. His record in the NHL speaks louder than his intangible feel.

I’m a Flames fan and hope it works out. I’m not confident in it however.

I can’t quantify bravado, ambience or aura. I can quantify his NHL record.

You wanted to know what was different in what Bill Peters said today from what Gulutzan delivered in his first press conference. Of course results trump rhetoric, but on the basis of his performance at today's event I think he did extremely well.

Of course, you have made it abundantly clear that no matter what Peters had said or done today you have already decided that he is not a good coach. We get it. You have made a narrow minded at best, and closed minded at worst, decision about his NHL coaching abilities.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Sutter4Mayor

Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Angelino

...I think he might be more suitable to remaining in the international coaching arena. I think Peters might be an ultra successful coach if he stayed as Canada coach. His track record indicates as such.

His NHL record counts the most to me. Not cherry picking his NHL seasons. His entire NHL head coaching career seems to be a failure. If it doesn’t matter to you much that’s fine. I would be more encouraged if Treliving hired a coach with a better NHL record.

This is a pretty uninsightful observation, and I think it quite clearly illustrates why "the record" is possibly not a complete evaluative tool when assessing the quality of a coach. Unless of course you yourself can quantify WHY you think Peters is a much better International coach than he is a NHL coach. Can you?

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You wanted to know what was different in what Bill Peters said today from what Gulutzan delivered in his first press conference. Of course results trump rhetoric, but on the basis of his performance at today's event I think he did extremely well.

Of course, you have made it abundantly clear that no matter what Peters had said or done today you have already decided that he is not a good coach. We get it. You have made a narrow minded at best, and closed minded at worst, decision about his NHL coaching abilities.

Yes I don’t put much weight into hiring day rhetoric of a coach. I’m sure Peters sounded similarly impressive when he was hired in Carolina. His aura, ambience and bravado didn’t help him too much in Carolina.

You are also correct. I don’t think anything Peters said today will help me determine if he will be a good coach. I like tangible stats like his 4 years as an NHL head coach that matters more than his unquantifiable rhetoric from today.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Angelino

I didn’t say what you can and can’t post. I’m not forum police.

I think he might be more suitable to remaining in the international coaching arena. I think Peters might be an ultra successful coach if he stayed as Canada coach. His track record indicates as such.

His NHL record counts the most to me. Not cherry picking his NHL seasons. His entire NHL head coaching career seems to be a failure. If it doesn’t matter to you much that’s fine. I would be more encouraged if Treliving hired a coach with a better NHL record.

Judging coaching based almost purely on their previous team's record is not rational. Sure, it's easy to use that to support your opinion, but not looking at the entire body of work, specific team make up, coaching style or philosophy, along with many other factors would make any argument you make after quite hollow at best.

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This is a pretty uninsightful observation, and I think it quite clearly illustrates why "the record" is possibly not a complete evaluative tool when assessing the quality of a coach. Unless of course you yourself can quantify WHY you think Peters is a much better International coach than he is a NHL coach. Can you?

He has had success in the international arena. None in the NHL and limited amounts of success during the rest of his head coaching career outside of a great season in the WHL.

Maybe his coaching is better suited to the international game as he has had success at that level. At the end of the day results quantify success. Is there some other measure that should be used to judge a coach other than his results? Aura and ambience really doesn’t cut it in my opinion.

[Kybb79]

Im okay with the hiring but not sold on Peters. If the Flames come out winning the first 2 months i will be. As some have said he has had almost no success at the NHL level as a head coach. But at the international level he has but those players are so good Dave Cameron and Gully would look good coaching Canada.

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Judging coaching based almost purely on their previous team's record is not rational. Sure, it's easy to use that to support your opinion, but not looking at the entire body of work, specific team make up, coaching style or philosophy, along with many other factors would make any argument you make after quite hollow at best.

Actually judging him on WHL, AHL, College career as well. Outside of one good season in the WHL and Canada success it doesn’t look too encouraging. His NHL record is the most important factor to me. A good coach can make a bad team look good.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by Angelino

Actually judging him on WHL, AHL, College career as well. Outside of one good season in the WHL and Canada success it doesn’t look too encouraging. His NHL record is the most important factor to me. A good coach can make a bad team look good.

How often does this actually happen ?

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Angelino

Actually judging him on WHL, AHL, College career as well. Outside of one good season in the WHL and Canada success it doesn’t look too encouraging. His NHL record is the most important factor to me. A good coach can make a bad team look good.

Like when Babcock coached the Leafs to dead last?
Or Quenneville this year?
Torts in NYR or VAN?
Hitchcock this year in Dallas?
Gallant last year with FLA?

Like I said, basing your opinion predominantly on team success makes your argument quite hollow.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Angelino

Yes I don’t put much weight into hiring day rhetoric of a coach. I’m sure Peters sounded similarly impressive when he was hired in Carolina. His aura, ambience and aura didn’t help him too much in Carolina.

This is your opinion. Is it possible in your mind that Peters got more out of his Carolina roster than the sum of its parts? Based on how significantly the Hurricanes are hamstrung financially, based on the strength of their division, and based on the extenuating circumstances of ownership and management turnover I think this is at least something to take carefully into consideration.

You are also correct. I don’t think anything Peters said today will help me determine if he will be a good coach. I like tangible stats like his 4 years as an NHL head coach that matters more than his unquantifiable rhetoric from today.

Well then, I suppose every NHL coach is a bad coach until he is not. That strikes me as an utterly useless metric.

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Gulutzan's message on the day he was introduced was certainly on-cue and on-point, but even from the moment he was hired there was a missing bravado(?), ambience(?), aura(?) that left even the most enthusiastic supporters a little mystified.

presence? gravitas?