[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[dammage79]

A coach has to want to come to Calgary as well. That's a thing to consider. AV may want to be elsewhere. But that's who they should be getting.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by nik-

When you're trading away future assets to compete now. That's where it ends..

In your opinion.

Except that's not where it ends, because the majority of players we acquired while rebuilding are all young and have room to improve and mature which takes time.

I'm not saying you said it was time to blow it up, I was clearly talking to and quoting Locke.

Patience is required. I realize that's not your strong suit as you were one of the guys having a very difficult time there was no coaching changed announced 48 hours after the season. Yet here we are.

I have no doubt we'll see improvement next year.

[stone hands]

what some people want to have heard it seems:

"this guy i personally hired and had a good personal and business relationship sucks and after this presser we are going to go to the parking lot and fire this comically large canon filled with him and his assistants into the sun"

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You're being obtuse. The rebuild isn't over, and you know that. And a few posts ago you suggested "Is this a 'middle of the road' team? After rebuilding? If it is then blow it up again"

So that's what you'd do at this point? Blow it up?

Completely over the top reaction.

The rebuilding phase is certainly over.

That doesn't mean the Flames have peaked and that it has to be torn down because it has failed.

The young asset accumulation phase is over. We are no longer trading veterans for 1sts.

Now the core needs to mature and be supplemented.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I think it's ridiculous to put a time frame on when and how much success is due after a rebuild... and again, we get back to you suggesting it might be time to blow it up again as the item I took particular issue with.

It's a very young core. I think they made the right call changing the coach and expect we'll see improvement next year as our key players mature, outlining again, that development and growth isn't linear.

How long do you want it to go on for? What Metric do you want to use?

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by dammage79

A coach has to want to come to Calgary as well. That's a thing to consider. AV may want to be elsewhere. But that's who they should be getting.

I think this is why Sutter might be a more likely candidate than AV, since he lives in Alberta.

[Meers]

Treliving said the "E" word. I take that as meaning AV, because Sutter would put the GM job in play within a year or two.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

So which core player is going to get traded?

Depends on how loosely you want to define "core".

Way I see it the Top 6, Top D-Pair, and starting goalie all did their jobs. So that basically leaves Brouwer, Brodie, Hamonic, Stone, and Bennett. I don't really consider any of those guys "core" but Brouwer (for some strange reason that I don't understand) has a letter on his jersey so... Brouwer (if you can find someone dumb enough to take him)?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

No, it's not. This is not a finished product and many of our top players haven't reached their prime yet.

Judging this team as a finished product is asinine.

Obviously this is a semantics issue where you two disagree on the definition of rebuild.

IMO the rebuild is over. We are not "rebuilding". We are building. It's whatever you want to call the phase that is between rebuilding and contending. The maturation of the core and supplementing it phase.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

In your opinion.

Except that's not where it ends, because the majority of players we acquired while rebuilding are all young and have room to improve and mature which takes time.

I'm not saying you said it was time to blow it up, I was clearly talking to and quoting Locke.

Patience is required. I realize that's not your strong suit as you were one of the guys having a very difficult time there was no coaching changed announced 48 hours after the season. Yet here we are.

I have no doubt we'll see improvement next year.

Not really in my opinion, in NHL practice that's a pretty telling sign that a team no longer feels it's rebuilding.

But, man, I get it. I wish I could still think we're just going along with the rebuild too. It would make this season a lot easier to handle. More power to you.

[AC]

Originally Posted by meers

treliving said the "e" word. I take that as meaning av, because sutter would put the gm job in play within a year or two.

https://twitter.com/user/status/986360429159956480

[Skyceman]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

He's trying to be a nice guy and not completely throw them under the bus.

Exactly and I'm glad he is a respectful GM that way. Plus, if he throws his coach under the bus, it makes other future candidates think twice about coming here.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

But the suggestion we might need to blow it up because we missed the playoffs this season is lunacy.

Who suggested this? Seems like you're arguing against yourself.

[GoJetsGo]

This is really just semantics.

The point I'm making is that this isn't anywhere close to a finished product, so the comment:

Originally Posted by Locke

Is this a 'middle of the road' team? After rebuilding? If it is then blow it up again,

is beyond ridiculous.

I wasn't happy with this season at all. But that doesn't mean I was in a huff demanding someone tells me the coach is fired within 48 hours of the season ending or making sensational comments about possibly blowing things up again.

[VladtheImpaler]

Well, good luck, Glen. Thanks for... nothing really. The best I can say is two wasted years.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

He's trying to be a nice guy and not completely throw them under the bus.

Not to be rude but nice to me would be to get my time/money back for this terrible season I had to endure. I'm looking for answers and playing your cards close to your chest when you had complete failure doesn't really suit any end.

As a GM he can't tell the fans specifically why the coach was fired out of being nice to the outgoing coach? I guess it will be a process to see why he is leading the charge of blame and the coach was a great coach but had to go.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

In your opinion.

Except that's not where it ends, because the majority of players we acquired while rebuilding are all young and have room to improve and mature which takes time.

I'm not saying you said it was time to blow it up, I was clearly talking to and quoting Locke.

Patience is required. I realize that's not your strong suit as you were one of the guys having a very difficult time there was no coaching changed announced 48 hours after the season. Yet here we are.

I have no doubt we'll see improvement next year.

I dont want to blow it up. Unless we're sure that this whole thing didnt work and I dont think we're at that point.

I genuinely feel that this is a good team that would succeed with a better coach.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

Not to be rude but nice to me would be to get my time/money back for this terrible season I had to endure.

So Treliving owes everybody a refund on their tickets out of his own pocket?

Gee, I thought some Flames fans had an overgrown sense of entitlement, but I guess I was wrong.

[Geeoff]

Brad with the sweet Nirvana entrance music

[CaptainYooh]

I've said this before and I'll say it again: even counting a few questionable and outright bad contracts, Treliving HAS delivered an improved roster year-over-year in each season he was a GM with this particular season's roster being, arguably, the best. Yet, the team's performance deteriorated. That's squarely on coaching. So, the right decision today. I just hope he makes the right decision and goes for the proven coach in Sutter or AV.